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[darwin dali]

(still recovering)

[racechick]

(still recovering)

[AngelesoinsectoS]

Nothing' s gonna change. I bet he won't get the troops out of Iraq... two-party systems are the shame of democracy.
And by the way, so many black presidents in Africa never made a difference.

[Rivelution]

Nothing' s gonna change. I bet he won't get the troops out of Iraq

How do you know nothing's going to change? Can you see into the future? I'm not implying he's the best, but atleast he will be better than the pres we have now.

two-party systems are the shame of democracy.

That is very true

And by the way, so many black presidents in Africa never made a difference.

What the hell does that have to do with the United States? We didnt elect him in because he was black.

[AngelesoinsectoS]

Nothing' s gonna change. I bet he won't get the troops out of Iraq

How do you know nothing's going to change? Can you see into the future? I'm not implying he's the best, but atleast he will be better than the pres we have now.

two-party systems are the shame of democracy.

That is very true

And by the way, so many black presidents in Africa never made a difference.

What the hell does that have to do with the United States? We didnt elect him in because he was black.

That's not my point, I just don't like how some come to sell the fact that he is black as a crucial change in the States politics. Don't get me wrong.
and, can't be that hard to be better than GWB...

[Rivelution]

Nothing' s gonna change. I bet he won't get the troops out of Iraq

How do you know nothing's going to change? Can you see into the future? I'm not implying he's the best, but atleast he will be better than the pres we have now.

two-party systems are the shame of democracy.

That is very true

And by the way, so many black presidents in Africa never made a difference.

What the hell does that have to do with the United States? We didnt elect him in because he was black.

That's not my point, I just don't like how some come to sell the fact that he is black as a crucial change in the States politics. Don't get me wrong.
and, can't be that hard to be better than GWB...

Oh now I see what you'r saying. Yeah that is pretty stupid, but it's inevitable. Most people, like me, voted for him just because we're tired of the Republican party.

[AngelesoinsectoS]

Nothing' s gonna change. I bet he won't get the troops out of Iraq

How do you know nothing's going to change? Can you see into the future? I'm not implying he's the best, but atleast he will be better than the pres we have now.

two-party systems are the shame of democracy.

That is very true

And by the way, so many black presidents in Africa never made a difference.

What the hell does that have to do with the United States? We didnt elect him in because he was black.

That's not my point, I just don't like how some come to sell the fact that he is black as a crucial change in the States politics. Don't get me wrong.
and, can't be that hard to be better than GWB...

Oh now I see what you'r saying. Yeah that is pretty stupid, but it's inevitable. Most people, like me, voted for him just because we're tired of the Republican party.

I understad, same happens in most of the european countries. Mine is no exception and it's so frustrating to me. I don't know if that's the case in the States, but in Spain there are so many divisions in left-winged parties that most of the people have the only option of voting for PSOE which is more moderate just because it's the only way to avoid the right-winged former government PP getting the majority, so we're heading in the same direction as your country.

[Rivelution]

Nothing' s gonna change. I bet he won't get the troops out of Iraq

How do you know nothing's going to change? Can you see into the future? I'm not implying he's the best, but atleast he will be better than the pres we have now.

two-party systems are the shame of democracy.

That is very true

And by the way, so many black presidents in Africa never made a difference.

What the hell does that have to do with the United States? We didnt elect him in because he was black.

That's not my point, I just don't like how some come to sell the fact that he is black as a crucial change in the States politics. Don't get me wrong.
and, can't be that hard to be better than GWB...

Oh now I see what you'r saying. Yeah that is pretty stupid, but it's inevitable. Most people, like me, voted for him just because we're tired of the Republican party.

I understad, same happens in most of the european countries. Mine is no exception and it's so frustrating to me. I don't know if that's the case in the States, but in Spain there are so many divisions in left-winged parties that most of the people have the only option of voting for PSOE which is more moderate just because it's the only way to avoid the right-winged former government PP getting the majority, so we're heading in the same direction as your country.

Edit: sorry I pressed the submit button before I wrote anything.

But yeah, I remember my english teacher saying that democracy is the least efficient government, but its still better than the other forms of government. Well atleast you guys dont have a pres that everyone in the world hates.

[Hanwombat]

(still recovering)

[darwin dali]

Oh now I see what you'r saying. Yeah that is pretty stupid, but it's inevitable. Most people, like me, voted for him just because we're tired of the Republican party.

You got that quite wrong: All the liberal/democrat people voted for him by default once some of them overcame their resentments re. Hillary Clinton not making the cut. Virtually all black voters supported him by default as well. A majority of Hispanics (except the die-hard exile Cubans in Florida) voted for Obama because of his program he ran on. Most of the swing voters (which make up 30-40% of the electorate) probably voted for him in rejection of the mess left behind by the GOP/Bush and some of them probably also as a vote against old-fashioned, short-fused McCain and bimbo Palin. So, you might be right with your statement re. voting because being tired of the GOP, but only if you qualify it with 'most swing voters/independents'.

[Rivelution]

Oh now I see what you'r saying. Yeah that is pretty stupid, but it's inevitable. Most people, like me, voted for him just because we're tired of the Republican party.

You got that quite wrong: All the liberal/democrat people voted for him by default once some of them overcame their resentments re. Hillary Clinton not making the cut. Virtually all black voters supported him by default as well. A majority of Hispanics (except the die-hard exile Cubans in Florida) voted for Obama because of his program he ran on. Most of the swing voters (which make up 30-40% of the electorate) probably voted for him in rejection of the mess left behind by the GOP/Bush and some of them probably also as a vote against old-fashioned, short-fused McCain and bimbo Palin. So, you might be right with your statement re. voting because being tired of the GOP, but only if you qualify it with 'most swing voters/independents'.

I stand corrected.

[bud]

two-party systems are the shame of democracy.

what do you suggest?

[KyrosV]

Is it true The national guard wont take a bullit for Obama? A friend just came back from California and Nervada, and said he was talking to some guys in the national guard and thats what they told him

[Gaz]

Is it true The national guard wont take a bullit for Obama? A friend just came back from California and Nervada, and said he was talking to some guys in the national guard and thats what they told him

the national guard don't protect him its the secret service that do.

[darwin dali]

Is it true The national guard wont take a bullit for Obama? A friend just came back from California and Nervada, and said he was talking to some guys in the national guard and thats what they told him

Just have a look at what happened to the neighborhood where his house is in the past week or so since he got elected. Security, cops, barricades - a secret service circus!