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By 7UpJordan
#78347
Sorry I have to Disagree ( I'm Canadian and someone has to stick up for JV ) If he was so weak would he have pushed Schumi so hard, being that Schumi is one of the greatest of all time you would think that if he did suck so bad MS would not have had any issues with him. MS dispatched of DH with no issues and JV was in the same car. It's just like saying Hamilton is weak, He still beat all the other drivers and a far superior team. JV was never able to prove himself after his WDC because Williams fell off the map and then he went to BAR (no explanation needed).
What does remain Fact is He Beat Schumacher in a Ferrari, not to shabby. ( by the way I couldn't care less what the facts say because It's my turn to bury my head in the sand )

Schumacher had to resort to his dirty tactics and his cheating Benetton team with the B194 having launch control and traction control. It's a shame we can't ask the key witness to this discovery which was Senna when he stood trackside after being punted off at the Pacific GP. :(

1995 though I have no doubt Schumacher did deserve that title, Hill, Coulthard and the Williams team made some shocking blunders that year and bad calls on strategy.
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By scotty
#78351
I thought Jacques Villeneuve was the weakest Champion, only really won it because Schumacher decided to play dirty games. If Hill had been kept on at Williams for 1997 he would have had the title sewn up months before.


:yes:

And even if he didn't win the title, he still would've managed more wins than the fool that replaced him (not that it would have been tough to do that!!).


Sorry I have to Disagree ( I'm Canadian and someone has to stick up for JV ) If he was so weak would he have pushed Schumi so hard, being that Schumi is one of the greatest of all time you would think that if he did suck so bad MS would not have had any issues with him. MS dispatched of DH with no issues and JV was in the same car. It's just like saying Hamilton is weak, He still beat all the other drivers and a far superior team. JV was never able to prove himself after his WDC because Williams fell off the map and then he went to BAR (no explanation needed).
What does remain Fact is He Beat Schumacher in a Ferrari, not to shabby. ( by the way I couldn't care less what the facts say because It's my turn to bury my head in the sand )


Hill wasn't able to prove himself either though, yet Hill beat JV easily in '96, and '94 was a strange situation... but fair enough, Schumacher was the man in 1995.

I'm not trying to discredit Jacques, cause i liked him as a racer (THAT move at Estoril was legendary), i just think Damon was a better all round driver than him, or indeed Frentzen.
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By csrracer
#78373
I thought Jacques Villeneuve was the weakest Champion, only really won it because Schumacher decided to play dirty games. If Hill had been kept on at Williams for 1997 he would have had the title sewn up months before.


:yes:

And even if he didn't win the title, he still would've managed more wins than the fool that replaced him (not that it would have been tough to do that!!).


Sorry I have to Disagree ( I'm Canadian and someone has to stick up for JV ) If he was so weak would he have pushed Schumi so hard, being that Schumi is one of the greatest of all time you would think that if he did suck so bad MS would not have had any issues with him. MS dispatched of DH with no issues and JV was in the same car. It's just like saying Hamilton is weak, He still beat all the other drivers and a far superior team. JV was never able to prove himself after his WDC because Williams fell off the map and then he went to BAR (no explanation needed).
What does remain Fact is He Beat Schumacher in a Ferrari, not to shabby. ( by the way I couldn't care less what the facts say because It's my turn to bury my head in the sand )


Hill wasn't able to prove himself either though, yet Hill beat JV easily in '96, and '94 was a strange situation... but fair enough, Schumacher was the man in 1995.

I'm not trying to discredit Jacques, cause i liked him as a racer (THAT move at Estoril was legendary), i just think Damon was a better all round driver than him, or indeed Frentzen.


I disagree of course because I'm Canadian and really only have 1 champion to defend. I think he proved himself against DH in his rookie year, If williams let him run his own car set up instead of Hills, as they did later in the season I think he would have beaten him for the '96 championship. What was the points difference in 1996?
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By onelapdown
#78376
19 points.

I'm not going to do down Jacques, because I think in his prime he was absolutely brilliant, but he's a bit like Raikkonen - stick him in a car and he'll race the nuts off it, but all the background work is not given the attention that someone like Schumacher would have given
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By csrracer
#78394
19 points.

I'm not going to do down Jacques, because I think in his prime he was absolutely brilliant, but he's a bit like Raikkonen - stick him in a car and he'll race the nuts off it, but all the background work is not given the attention that someone like Schumacher would have given


Like all athletes driver's come into and fall out of there peaks. When JV was at his peak he was fast and fun to watch and couldn't care less who he passed or what anyone thought of him. I just loved the way he would piss off Scumi and FIA.
By big ron
#78399
19 points.

I'm not going to do down Jacques, because I think in his prime he was absolutely brilliant, but he's a bit like Raikkonen - stick him in a car and he'll race the nuts off it, but all the background work is not given the attention that someone like Schumacher would have given


Like all athletes driver's come into and fall out of there peaks. When JV was at his peak he was fast and fun to watch and couldn't care less who he passed or what anyone thought of him. I just loved the way he would piss off Scumi and FIA.



I liked JV for a while, but I thought his downfall was that he only raced one set-up. Once the car was the way he wanted it he kept it like that for every race? I might be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere years ago.
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By onelapdown
#78434
No, I don't think so. He had some quirks set-up wise, but that wasn't one of them. You can't race Monza on a Monaco setup...

He certainly was about the only F1 driver to use Indy-style asymmetrical set-ups. I can't imagine what Patrick Head made of it!!!
#78450
Compared to Schumi & Alonso, Lewis is the weakest champ of recent times.
Feel free to make your own comparisons between the 3.

A real champ would have driven for the win. Lewis didn't

Lewis is champion not by his own good driving, he was 6th and not champion till the championship was gifted to him. Not the way to become WDC.

A real champ like the previous to were fighters and would have won on the back of there own skill not somone else's lack of it. Lewis didn't.

I don't think you can compare him to Schumi.


Lewis Hamilton 2008 WORLD CHAMPION
He won over a season same as any sport that has a league if your top after the last event you win why can`t people just except he is world champion.

Take a look at all the mistakes, breakdowns, driver errors etc by all teams this season its all if`s and butt`s ....
if lewis did not crash in montreal he would have had more points if massa`s hose never got stuck in singpore he may have had more points, all the stupid penalty`s given out this season the list goes on.

what you achieve in life echoes through eternity "LEWIS HAMILTON WORLD CHAMP 2008"
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By McLaren Fan
#78520
Jacques Villeneuve is the least gifted champion. The FW19 was the best car of the season by a million miles. How the title race went down to the wire was unbelievable. Damon Hill, although not as bad as what many people say, is probably second worst. He did put in the odd good shift and was a solid test driver, so at least he had something going for him. As I've said before, one thing that really lets Williams down is a team is that they've never really had an iconic driver. They've had a couple of legends drive for them, but only for a year or two or on and off.
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By McLaren Fan
#78544
except for Piquet Snr.

If there is one classless individual in Formula One, it's him. :thumbdown:
By Gaz
#78555
McLaren Fan, I've said it once and I'll say it again: Phil Hill


Phill hill was scared really scared sometimes driving a f1 car he needed tranquilizers to clam him down apparently to be that scared of doing somthing but do it anyway and be the best at it, is no means a weak champion.

There are no Weak Formula 1 Champions just drivers who were the best at what they did that year.
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