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By nsaqam
#36047
I believe I read that Vettel has some contractual obligations to BMW that may prevent him from going to Ferrari if BMW wants to sign him.
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By scotty
#36091
Bourdais reminded me of Prost in some respects....
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By darwin dali
#36104
Ever since last year's stint at BMW-Sauber and now at STR, I keep an eye on SV.
STR have Ferrari engines and rumors have it that there's a clause in the contract that would allow Ferrari to draw SV as a third driver if FM or KR became incapacitated.
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By Lem
#36107
Obviously one race isn't enough to make a full judgment but I will say I'm extremely excited by the STR line up this season. Obviously Bourdais was unlucky, but I bet they'd have taken 2 points before the race. Who knows, maybe later in the season they can set the bar higher?
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By bud
#36110
Take Heikki for example, he almost got p2, which would have been better then Hamilton's start to his career, don't see the press going crackers over him. Kind of dilutes Hamilton's efforts and shows you it's more the car he's driving as opposed to his 'god like' skill behind the wheel.


Heikki almost got P2 for Renault last year in Melbourne??

Compare Lewis's start to someone who has something in common - Nelson Piquet
who both in their first race had Fernando in the other garage some claim to "steal" setup information Lewis finished one position behind Fernando and Nelson didnt even finsh after underperforming in Q.

think Demure you just need to dilute your hate to anything McLaren.
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By deMuRe
#36402
Take Heikki for example, he almost got p2, which would have been better then Hamilton's start to his career, don't see the press going crackers over him. Kind of dilutes Hamilton's efforts and shows you it's more the car he's driving as opposed to his 'god like' skill behind the wheel.


Heikki almost got P2 for Renault last year in Melbourne??

Compare Lewis's start to someone who has something in common - Nelson Piquet
who both in their first race had Fernando in the other garage some claim to "steal" setup information Lewis finished one position behind Fernando and Nelson didnt even finsh after underperforming in Q.

think Demure you just need to dilute your hate to anything McLaren.


I don't hate MacLaren, I don't like them however I do respect them.

I definitely think Lewis Hamilton is too cheesy and I don't buy into all they hype surrounding him, he's doing a good job in a fantastic car, but nothing more.

He'll get a couple of world championships and when he's sick of everyone saying it's the car and not him he'll goto a lesser team and try to do a Schumacher, if he still dominates then I'll take my hat off to him...
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By bud
#36407
Take Heikki for example, he almost got p2, which would have been better then Hamilton's start to his career, don't see the press going crackers over him. Kind of dilutes Hamilton's efforts and shows you it's more the car he's driving as opposed to his 'god like' skill behind the wheel.


Heikki almost got P2 for Renault last year in Melbourne??

Compare Lewis's start to someone who has something in common - Nelson Piquet
who both in their first race had Fernando in the other garage some claim to "steal" setup information Lewis finished one position behind Fernando and Nelson didnt even finsh after underperforming in Q.

think Demure you just need to dilute your hate to anything McLaren.


I don't hate MacLaren, I don't like them however I do respect them.

I definitely think Lewis Hamilton is too cheesy and I don't buy into all they hype surrounding him, he's doing a good job in a fantastic car, but nothing more.

He'll get a couple of world championships and when he's sick of everyone saying it's the car and not him he'll goto a lesser team and try to do a Schumacher, if he still dominates then I'll take my hat off to him...


I still dont buy into your schumacher religion of him doing it in a lesser team
only lesser team he was in was Jordan for how many races??! if youre reffering to Benneton haha yeah whatever and if youre reffering to Ferrari well he brought the "lesser teams" lesser technical department with him to Ferrari and created a dynasty which he could have had at the "lesser" team :lol:

the only ones who are saying its the car in regards to Lewis is you. Last year he still had to go up against a world champ as a team mate in the same car, but then again you say he was favoured by the team.

look at it this way Nelsinho Piquet as Fernando Alonso's team mate in McLaren first race in Melbourne 2007. would Nelson have finished 3rd behind Alonso?? after this years display in the same car as Alonso at Renault?
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By deMuRe
#36409
Schumacher got snapped up by a bigger team because Eddie Jordan still believed your word was your honour, the poor sod was naive and got shafted by the big boys, Eddie didn't have a watertight contract with Schumacher and the greedy sods advising Schumacher at the time were out to make a buck.

What Schumacher brought was never seen before levels of success to whichever team he joined, big deal if he brought with him his own personell, Barnard kept designing the cars he wanted to design instead of listening to how Schumacher wanted the car designed, it was only a matter of time before he got the axe.

Lewis is talented, however until he makes the difference in a team he's not on the same level as Kimi or Alonso, or Schumacher for that matter...
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By madbrad
#36411
I'd have to double check the charts but I think 4 is the most Champ Car titles anyone has brought to F1. I am hopeful for him and hope he can graduate to better teams soon. Top teams used to steal their stars and I'm a bit surprised that didn't happen to Bourdais, yet I'm also relieved he wasn't thrust into the deep end. Besises JV they usually end badly(M. Andretti, Zanardi, Montoya, DaMatta). Maybe something in between would have been more appropriate?
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By deMuRe
#36412
I'd have to double check the charts but I think 4 is the most Champ Car titles anyone has brought to F1. I am hopeful for him and hope he can graduate to better teams soon. Top teams used to steal their stars and I'm a bit surprised that didn't happen to Bourdais, yet I'm also relieved he wasn't thrust into the deep end. Besises JV they usually end badly(M. Andretti, Zanardi, Montoya, DaMatta). Maybe something in between would have been more appropriate?


Yeah when I heard he was joining F1 my mind instantly jumped to the disasters that were Andretti and Zanardi, seeing him do so well is exciting and I'd love to see him go on and kick some arse...
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By onelapdown
#36452
I know a win's a win, but there's no way Bordais's titles are as good as those won by Montoya, Zanardi, Villeneuve, etc. CART's been a pretty weak championship for a few years now, whereas when Montoya won it was still a top championship with some outstanding drivers.
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By madbrad
#36532
I know a win's a win, but there's no way Bordais's titles are as good as those won by Montoya, Zanardi, Villeneuve, etc. CART's been a pretty weak championship for a few years now, whereas when Montoya won it was still a top championship with some outstanding drivers.

True, a CART title from the last few years isn't much to speak of, seeing how much of a joke it became once IRL got better and all the good drivers jumped there. The ONLY WAY that jerka$$ Paul Tracy met with any success was by being about the only one dumb enough to stay. I consider Bourdais to be much better than Paul Tracy.
By manmonkee
#36533
Lets be fair, Even if Carts not what it was, Bourdais didn't just win, He DOMINATED for 4 years, Nobody got near to touching him, So yeah Cart might of been a little barren but it did at least have one big talent.
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By kezza7
#36537
Lets be fair, Even if Carts not what it was, Bourdais didn't just win, He DOMINATED for 4 years, Nobody got near to touching him, So yeah Cart might of been a little barren but it did at least have one big talent.

yes, but if he was THAT good, he would have been spoted earlier in his career, es he did have tests for back of the feild teams, but for 1 reason or another it never came to fruition, so surely he can't be THAT good, i think he is a solid midfeilder, nothing more.
By Clarkey3262
#36551
Oh, that's definitely possible. But that's the thing that bugs me - people will say he was instantly better than whoever because he almost won the championship. Well, okay then. But then if I ask them if they can name anyone else who was given the same opportunity as him, they cannot.


Villeneuve 1996 with williams

Championship winning car, came close to winning the title, nowhere near as close as Lewis, but close all the same

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