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By texasmr2
#35823
Bourdais was very impressive and I was more let down by his retirement than Ferrari's debacle. The guy is a true racer imho and at the end we saw that he can open a gap when necessary. I wish him better luck/reliability during the rest of the season.
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By 7UpJordan
#35837
Bourdais did well today, he may be an F1 rookie but he's got enough racing experience to drive calmly and cooly today.
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By McLaren Fan
#35862
He didn't do well in the sense of "Boy! He's quick", but he did the basics right, which is important in Grands Prix with the safety car coming out frequently and other cars clapping out. He deserved something from the race, so it's a shame it didn't work out for him.
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By mr_burns
#35870
Bourdais is habituated to this races, whit a lot of safety cars, irregular laps, incidents and stressed performances, so today he had a comfortable race. Toro Rosso is not a rocket, but he did it very well in his debut. It could be good luck (the same as Alonso) or it can be the beginning of a great driver.
By manmonkee
#35871
Yeah, Always rated the French Seb, I was worried the peculiarities of Champ car might throw him but he did well, it'll be interesting to see him in a real scrap. In Champ car your not allowed to protect your place, you have to just hold your line and not block.
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By texasmr2
#35876
I dont look at his result as he is
habituated to this races, whit a lot of safety cars, irregular laps, incidents and stressed performances.
That was Champcar's fault and Bourdais and his team were simply smart enough to use those situation's to their advantage.

Seabass will only be with Toro Roso for maybe another year, maybe two, before he is with McLaren or Ferrari imho.
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By deMuRe
#35938
We need someone to come in and set the F1 world alight, hope it's Seabass...

Yeah yeah I know, Lewis Hamilton, bla bla... Save your breath, he's in a good car at the moment...
By nsaqam
#35944
Bourdais looked as though he belonged out there on an F1 track. I think he'll have a good consistent year but I also think Vettel will outpace him over the course of the season. Both the STR drivers are talented and I believe STR will be the team to overachieve this year. I will be surprised if they don't beat the senior Red Bull team several times.
Why the Hammy bashing? Of course he's in a good car, McLarens usually are. Kimi and Massa were in a good car last year and they're in a fast one this year. does that diminish their achievements?
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By Denthúl
#35956
nsaqam, I think it's more to do with the fact that he jumped into what could be the best car on the grid in his first season. Of course he's going to perform better than you might expect. But because, unlike other world champions, he hasn't had to work up through less-competitive teams like Jordan, Minardi, Sauber etc. there's no way you can compare in that sense. For all we know he might really struggle in, say, a Super Aguri and if that was the route he'd taken in to Formula 1 then I'm sure he'd be as overlooked as Anthony Davidson is.
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By racechick
#35959
We need someone to come in and set the F1 world alight, hope it's Seabass...

Yeah yeah I know, Lewis Hamilton, bla bla... Save your breath, he's in a good car at the moment...


As you say, lewis has alreadydone this-sorry it irks you but there we go.
And if 'seabass' does it and then gets into a top car what then? can his achievements no longer be considered worthy because he's in a good car :roll:
Vettel and Nicco have impressed and are not in a top car. Im really not sure what point you're making here :?
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By deMuRe
#35962
We need someone to come in and set the F1 world alight, hope it's Seabass...

Yeah yeah I know, Lewis Hamilton, bla bla... Save your breath, he's in a good car at the moment...


As you say, lewis has alreadydone this-sorry it irks you but there we go.
And if 'seabass' does it and then gets into a top car what then? can his achievements no longer be considered worthy because he's in a good car :roll:
Vettel and Nicco have impressed and are not in a top car. Im really not sure what point you're making here :?


It doesn't irk me, I would have been more impressed if Hamilton did it in a car that wasn't so quick.

Take Heikki for example, he almost got p2, which would have been better then Hamilton's start to his career, don't see the press going crackers over him. Kind of dilutes Hamilton's efforts and shows you it's more the car he's driving as opposed to his 'god like' skill behind the wheel.
By nsaqam
#35964
For all we know he might really struggle in, say, a Super Aguri and if that was the route he'd taken in to Formula 1 then I'm sure he'd be as overlooked as Anthony Davidson is.

Or maybe he'd have done like Senna did in the Toleman, challenge for wins with a junk car. Senna got noticed in that lousy Toleman because he could drive. I'm not saying that Hammy is the next Senna but someone as experienced in F1 as Ron Dennis saw enough talent in this young man that he put him straight into one of his coveted McLaren seats. Apparently the top team owners didn't see that same talent in Davidson or he wouldn't be in the SA.
This type of talent spotting and immediate recruitment into the top teams will become much more common in the future I think. I see very little evidence that extensive experience in junk cars makes a driver better.
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By Denthúl
#35965
Oh, that's definitely possible. But that's the thing that bugs me - people will say he was instantly better than whoever because he almost won the championship. Well, okay then. But then if I ask them if they can name anyone else who was given the same opportunity as him, they cannot. It is the way they make their comparison despite this huge factor and then go about as if it is gospel that is what is irritating about it. Not something that Hamilton has done, but what almost everyone who has heard of him seems to be doing.

As for driving in a junk car, it's like anything else - when you start at the bottom and work your way up, you learn a lot more valuable lessons than you do starting way up there.
By nsaqam
#35968
As for driving in a junk car, it's like anything else - when you start at the bottom and work your way up, you learn a lot more valuable lessons than you do starting way up there.

None of our recent champions have spent more than a year in truly bad cars. Alonso had 1 year with Minardi, Kimi had a year with midfield Sauber, Schui had 1 race in a Jordan and then several in the better than most Benetton. The point is that driving bad cars for underfunded teams doesn't make drivers better. I think the lessons learned from a vastly experienced and wealthy team with a tradition of winning are far more valuable than those learned from a lousy, poor team who've never won.
Truly great drivers don't get left in the lousy teams long. Lewis just skipped the lousy teams entirely because Ron Dennis thought his talent deserved a McLaren seat. There hasn't been many drivers hired by Dennis that have sucked either so you'd have to say his eye for talent is pretty keen.
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By texasmr2
#36021
Regarding Vettel the SPEED commentator's mentioned that Ferrari have a keen eye for him.

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