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By nish2280
#215616
I prefer Rosberg..IMO he is a bigger talent than Vettel and his driving skills are better..
BTW I think Vettel will go to Ferrari..


I prefer Rosberg too.

I just don't get why a team like McLaren would want Vettel, they could have almost anyone.


Because hes fast? like really really fast?

Maybe he does crash (A LOT) but hes fast and thats impossible to deny.

And yes it would ruin the british dream of two british drivers at McLaren but McLaren want whats best for them, and if that means wanting a rising talent, why wouldnt they go for it?!
By vaptin
#215628
I prefer Rosberg..IMO he is a bigger talent than Vettel and his driving skills are better..
BTW I think Vettel will go to Ferrari..


I prefer Rosberg too.

I just don't get why a team like McLaren would want Vettel, they could have almost anyone.


Well he admitted it was when they were looking for a replacement for Alonso, which ended up with almost anyone turning into Hekki.

Alright, I'm border-lining trolling so I'll stop now.
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By Flux
#215641
wow, not liking vettel doesn't justify calling him untalented, bad racer ect. he's an excellent driver, has had what 10 poles for goodness sake may be lacking race craft but what newish driver doesn't.

i doubt any driver would want to join alonso at ferrari, i think if redbull continue to deliver he will stay. other than that Mercedes would be make BIG play for him when schumi is gone
By Amanda
#215699
I prefer Rosberg..IMO he is a bigger talent than Vettel and his driving skills are better..
BTW I think Vettel will go to Ferrari..


I prefer Rosberg too.

I just don't get why a team like McLaren would want Vettel, they could have almost anyone.


Because hes fast? like really really fast?

Maybe he does crash (A LOT) but hes fast and thats impossible to deny.

And yes it would ruin the british dream of two british drivers at McLaren but McLaren want whats best for them, and if that means wanting a rising talent, why wouldnt they go for it?!


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.
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I prefer Rosberg..IMO he is a bigger talent than Vettel and his driving skills are better..
BTW I think Vettel will go to Ferrari..


I prefer Rosberg too.

I just don't get why a team like McLaren would want Vettel, they could have almost anyone.


Because hes fast? like really really fast?

Maybe he does crash (A LOT) but hes fast and thats impossible to deny.

And yes it would ruin the british dream of two british drivers at McLaren but McLaren want whats best for them, and if that means wanting a rising talent, why wouldnt they go for it?!


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.

Kobayashi is nowhere near being as fast as Vettel.

Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.
By Hammer278
#215711
Rosberg is the best bet for Martin Whitmarsh I think. But if Jenson is let go for Vettel, it would be pretty exciting as well, Vettel is plenty fast, top 3 in terms of speed. And no reason for him to not mature as the years go by.

Common misconception with Vettel, many think he's bred by Redbull which isn't the case...he's a BMW guy. He can be snatched by McLaren in the future. Lewis and Sebastian, that would be a killer lineup!!
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By kerc
#215723
All Vettel needs is a bit more maturity, and the eventual World Champion will be right there. Whoever denies that Vettel has the talent to become a champion, or to think that he's not enough for teams like McLaren or Ferrari, well, that person is delusional.
By Amanda
#215731


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.

Kobayashi is nowhere near being as fast as Vettel.

Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.


I didn't say he was as fast, I said he was possibly a rising star. There's more to driving a F1 car than speed alone. Sometimes I just wonder if Vettel has that raw instinct that the best drivers seem have when they're wheel to wheel. Thus far, for me at least, he doesn't. With people like Alonso and Hamilton you get that raw speed and then something else as well, that ability to slug it out with other drivers on the track. With drivers like Button, who isn't typically an edge of your seat driver, you get great tactics and consistency. With Vettel I see speed and not a lot of anything else.
#215733


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.

Kobayashi is nowhere near being as fast as Vettel.

Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.


I didn't say he was as fast, I said he was possibly a rising star. There's more to driving a F1 car than speed alone. Sometimes I just wonder if Vettel has that raw instinct that the best drivers seem have when they're wheel to wheel. Thus far, for me at least, he doesn't. With people like Alonso and Hamilton you get that raw speed and then something else as well, that ability to slug it out with other drivers on the track. With drivers like Button, who isn't typically an edge of your seat driver, you get great tactics and consistency. With Vettel I see speed and not a lot of anything else.

You can't pick a "possibly rising star" if you are McLaren's team director, though.
By vaptin
#215735


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.

Kobayashi is nowhere near being as fast as Vettel.

Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.


I didn't say he was as fast, I said he was possibly a rising star. There's more to driving a F1 car than speed alone. Sometimes I just wonder if Vettel has that raw instinct that the best drivers seem have when they're wheel to wheel. Thus far, for me at least, he doesn't. With people like Alonso and Hamilton you get that raw speed and then something else as well, that ability to slug it out with other drivers on the track. With drivers like Button, who isn't typically an edge of your seat driver, you get great tactics and consistency. With Vettel I see speed and not a lot of anything else.

You can't pick a "possibly rising star" if you are McLaren's team director, though.


You can when your alternative is Hekki. (which is what Whitmarsh is referring too).
By Amanda
#215737


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.

Kobayashi is nowhere near being as fast as Vettel.

Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.


I didn't say he was as fast, I said he was possibly a rising star. There's more to driving a F1 car than speed alone. Sometimes I just wonder if Vettel has that raw instinct that the best drivers seem have when they're wheel to wheel. Thus far, for me at least, he doesn't. With people like Alonso and Hamilton you get that raw speed and then something else as well, that ability to slug it out with other drivers on the track. With drivers like Button, who isn't typically an edge of your seat driver, you get great tactics and consistency. With Vettel I see speed and not a lot of anything else.

You can't pick a "possibly rising star" if you are McLaren's team director, though.


They picked Hamilton in 2007 and Vettel was definitely a rising star when Alonso's seat became available. That's two rising stars in one season, if Mclaren had pulled the deal off. Back in 2007 it was probably a good move to go for him, especially when you consider how Heikki performed, but if the oppertunity presents itself in the future, I can think of better candidates than Vettel.

But I'm not saying McLaren should sign Kobayashi, although I'd find it pretty entertaining if they did.

You can't pick a "possibly rising star" if you are McLaren's team director, though.


You can when your alternative is Hekki. (which is what Whitmarsh is referring too).



Poor Heikki. He seems like such a nice guy but he was hopeless at Mclaren.
#215739
Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.


X2

If he is given a fast car he will have fast lap times

If he is given a amazing and equally reliable team he will have the WDC, it does not matter where
#215744


Well he's faster than Webber and Bourdais atleast. I'm not sure I agree with this image he has as a supremely fast driver. Fast? Yes. But abnormally fast? I don't think so. What he is, is inconsistent and seriously lacking maturity. Not to mention his dubious overtaking record.

As for rising talent, I think I'd rather place a bet on someone like Kobayashi.

Kobayashi is nowhere near being as fast as Vettel.

Ok, I've got to say in the not-nice way:
In a couple of years time, Vettel will kick everyone's bottom, people; just remember that.


I didn't say he was as fast, I said he was possibly a rising star. There's more to driving a F1 car than speed alone. Sometimes I just wonder if Vettel has that raw instinct that the best drivers seem have when they're wheel to wheel. Thus far, for me at least, he doesn't. With people like Alonso and Hamilton you get that raw speed and then something else as well, that ability to slug it out with other drivers on the track. With drivers like Button, who isn't typically an edge of your seat driver, you get great tactics and consistency. With Vettel I see speed and not a lot of anything else.

You can't pick a "possibly rising star" if you are McLaren's team director, though.


They picked Hamilton in 2007 and Vettel was definitely a rising star when Alonso's seat became available. That's two rising stars in one season, if Mclaren had pulled the deal off. Back in 2007 it was probably a good move to go for him, especially when you consider how Heikki performed, but if the oppertunity presents itself in the future, I can think of better candidates than Vettel.

But I'm not saying McLaren should sign Kobayashi, although I'd find it pretty entertaining if they did.

Well, Hamilton was a "rising star"; not "possibly". They knew he was going to be real good, that's why the chose him; also, he grew up at McLaren, so that helped in giving him a seat in 2007.
Vettel would have been a little risk back in 2008, but he already had pulled off some very interesting performances with Toro Rosso or BMW; you could see (I did, at least) he was terribly talented already.
Kobayashi is different.. I am sure he is a very good driver, he pulled off a couple of very nice overtaking manoeuvres in the last races in 2009 and also this year, but he just isn't comparable to Vettel.

Kovalainen looked fairly quick at Renault but he "withered" at McLaren, perhaps overshadowed by Lewis Hamilton.
#215745
I prefer Rosberg..IMO he is a bigger talent than Vettel and his driving skills are better..
BTW I think Vettel will go to Ferrari..

I would *love* to see Seb at Ferrari; I like him both as a guy and as a driver, and I personally think he can become better than Alonso.
By vaptin
#215747
I prefer Rosberg..IMO he is a bigger talent than Vettel and his driving skills are better..
BTW I think Vettel will go to Ferrari..

I would *love* to see Seb at Ferrari; I like him both as a guy and as a driver, and I personally think he can become better than Alonso.


Never!
Alright, maybe, I can't really tell, although Vettel also seems emotionally fragile in a race seat, diddn't follow f1 closely until 09 so not sure how Alonso was doing at the stage in career Vettel is at currently.

Still, now there are better options on the grid I think,
also Redbull don't seem to want to let him go and their a good option right now for drivers.
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