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f1ea wrote:i agree! I really wanted to see Jenson and Lewis take the plunge in Turkey, and yet they were told by the team not to. That would have been a great battle for the finish. But the race was ruined for me, by a team orderDid you actually watch the Turkey GP? i don't see how that can be your proof of Mclaren team orders especially considering the message given to Hamilton that Button wouldn't pass ended up being total BS because Button passed him anyway and when Hamilton overtook Button again the lap after they actually slightly touched.
scotty wrote:Hmm, sad but inevitable really. As i said in a much earlier post, the court didn't really have a leg to stand on unless Massa or Smedley grassed on them.That is exactly why i wasn't expecting them to get any extra penalties even if i still believe what they did ruined that race and corrupted the results which i am sure many people placed bets on.
racechick wrote:Ferrari have thanked the FIA for promising to look at the rule that they and their prima donna driver cant cope with. So if you break a rule that is a little tricky to clarify you get it scrapped. Great message!I don't even blame ferrari for that i blame whoever wrote the rule book and failed to clarify the rule in enough detail.
scotty wrote:Hmm, sad but inevitable really. As i said in a much earlier post, the court didn't really have a leg to stand on unless Massa or Smedley grassed on them. And because of that exact fact i'll sit here and laugh whenever i read or hear cries of Ferrari International Assistance and Jean Todt bending the rules for them, because that too is totally ridiculous to claim. At least that can of worms hasn't been opened...There might not be enough physical evidence but there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence, which in a court of law can send a person to prison so why not in a sporting case? The bigger issue here is Ferrari literally doing what it wants and the FIA doing nothing about it; could it have been any more blatant? Short of saying, "pull over and let Fernando pass", I really don't think so! But yes the big failing here is the rules and the lack of clarity of those rules, bottom line is don't create rules than cannot or will not be enforced! That's what I am pissed off about; creating a rule to appease fans that actually means nothing on the track, it's an insult to the fans intelligence!All teams can, have and will use team orders when it suits them, i guess from now on they'll all just take more care to code their messages, as seemingly the fact that it wasn't very well disguised is more of an insult to fans than well disguised orders (which have been regularly employed since the ban of team orders on several occasions by multiple teams, albeit in different ways). Which i find odd, but it's just the way it is.
vaptin wrote:If Ferrari can break this rule and get away with it, and Ferrari almost screwed up this one, Massa and Smedely were bitter enough to make it obvious, the team could've preformed it much more subtly, you've gotta scrap the rule no? If it can't act as a deterrent what good does it do?It's not the rule that's the deterrent; it's the punishment that deters the teams; if no punishment is forthcoming then it's a non-offence in the teams eyes!
myownalias wrote:That's what I am pissed off about; creating a rule to appease fans that actually means nothing on the track, it's an insult to the fans intelligence!exactly the sentiment of many fans at the moment, Ferrari international assistance was number 1 trending topic on twitter earlier and the way people like the press officer ( who's name i cannot remember, Luca something ? ) and Stefano Dominicali insulted the fans intelligence during the post race interviews was just disgraceful.
f1ea wrote:Okay, now I see why Ferrari fans have such a bad reputation.
Case closed.
Dont like team orders? Follow Red Bull and enjoy them dumbasses hitting eachother and blowing the championship.
Want to say you dont like them, but turn the blind eye when your team does it? follow Mclaren in perpetual hypocrisy.
Wanna tell Ferrari how to run their team? pay their bills.
There was nothing proveable except what Ferrari told Massa, and there was nothing wrong in that. Doesnt mean much, except that the rule as it is makes no sense.

Jensonb wrote:f1ea wrote:Okay, now I see why Ferrari fans have such a bad reputation.
Case closed.
Dont like team orders? Follow Red Bull and enjoy them dumbasses hitting eachother and blowing the championship.
Want to say you dont like them, but turn the blind eye when your team does it? follow Mclaren in perpetual hypocrisy.
Wanna tell Ferrari how to run their team? pay their bills.
There was nothing proveable except what Ferrari told Massa, and there was nothing wrong in that. Doesnt mean much, except that the rule as it is makes no sense.
f1ea wrote:Well said mate.
Case closed.
Dont like team orders? Follow Red Bull and enjoy them dumbasses hitting eachother and blowing the championship.
Want to say you dont like them, but turn the blind eye when your team does it? follow Mclaren in perpetual hypocrisy.
Wanna tell Ferrari how to run their team? pay their bills.
There was nothing proveable except what Ferrari told Massa, and there was nothing wrong in that. Doesnt mean much, except that the rule as it is makes no sense.
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