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[Flux]

alonso's great but its a crap comparison, schumi's great aswell. i just despise alonso abit for letting things go to his head. i think hes a shadow of the 2 time champ we saw

[madbrad]

Me.

[racechick]

I don't care - despise them both.

Same. neither prepared to fight on a level playing field.

[The Immortal Dragon]

I don't care - despise them both.

Same. neither prepared to fight on a level playing field.

What about from 1992 to what.. 2000?

[racechick]

I don't care - despise them both.

Same. neither prepared to fight on a level playing field.

What about from 1992 to what.. 2000?

Alonso wasnt around then.
Schumacher...Well when he first appeared I admit to being impressed and quite excited. Was looking forward to seeing him up against Ayrton (a battle we were sadly robbed of)
But then there was the illegal Benneton. 1994 and 1997 poor attempts at winning the championshp by unfair means(one successful, one not, but both cementing my dislike)
And even in those times his team mates couldnt race him
In fact it was those years more than any that probably formed my dislike of him.

[zurich_allan]

I don't care - despise them both.

Same. neither prepared to fight on a level playing field.

What about from 1992 to what.. 2000?

Sorry, but that's a very poor rebuttal. If you believe that....;

1992 - Brundle (although aside from a couple of unlucky incidents and mechanical failures in the first 4 races Brundle actually outscored Schumacher over the 12 subsequent races - Briatore didn't like that Brundle could match Schumi and so promptly dropped him!)
1993 - Patrese
1994 - Lehtto / Verstappen / Herbert
1995 - Herbert
1996-99 - Irvine

....were chosen on their ability to match Schumacher then you're sadly mistaken. Only an imbecile would try to argue that they were chosen as anything other than dependable number 2 drivers... In fact the drivers above were pretty much the perfect example of a solid back-up team-mate!!

[Hammer278]

Schumacher missed nearly half the season in 1999 didn't he? Due to breaking his legs?

Would be more relevant if it's 1998. And even then it's easy. Schumacher had to contend with the mighty MIka Hakkinen with a the Ferrari and McLaren pretty much on par with slight pace advantage to McLaren. And Schumy came very close but lost it after a fantastic duel for the whole year.

Alonso 2010....Monaco crash, jump start somewhere else, teammate moving out of the way to give him a win, throw in a few 1000 moans and counting, 4th in the WDC....yawn..

[zurich_allan]

Just realised that I never actually answered the question - for the answer see the above post, as I'd agree with it 100%.

Schumacher hands down.

I hope that Alonso does manage to capture the performances, consistency and focus that he showed in 2005 / 2006, he certainly has the ability no question, but I have a horrible feeling that he never will...

[The Immortal Dragon]

I don't care - despise them both.

Same. neither prepared to fight on a level playing field.

What about from 1992 to what.. 2000?

Sorry, but that's a very poor rebuttal. If you believe that....;

1992 - Brundle (although aside from a couple of unlucky incidents and mechanical failures in the first 4 races Brundle actually outscored Schumacher over the 12 subsequent races - Briatore didn't like that Brundle could match Schumi and so promptly dropped him!)
1993 - Patrese
1994 - Lehtto / Verstappen / Herbert
1995 - Herbert
1996-99 - Irvine

....were chosen on their ability to match Schumacher then you're sadly mistaken. Only an imbecile would try to argue that they were chosen as anything other than dependable number 2 drivers... In fact the drivers above were pretty much the perfect example of a solid back-up team-mate!!

I am sure Coulthard and Kovalainen were signed to match Hakkinen's and Hamilton's ability.

[zurich_allan]

I don't care - despise them both.

Same. neither prepared to fight on a level playing field.

What about from 1992 to what.. 2000?

Sorry, but that's a very poor rebuttal. If you believe that....;

1992 - Brundle (although aside from a couple of unlucky incidents and mechanical failures in the first 4 races Brundle actually outscored Schumacher over the 12 subsequent races - Briatore didn't like that Brundle could match Schumi and so promptly dropped him!)
1993 - Patrese
1994 - Lehtto / Verstappen / Herbert
1995 - Herbert
1996-99 - Irvine

....were chosen on their ability to match Schumacher then you're sadly mistaken. Only an imbecile would try to argue that they were chosen as anything other than dependable number 2 drivers... In fact the drivers above were pretty much the perfect example of a solid back-up team-mate!!

I am sure Coulthard and Kovalainen were signed to match Hakkinen's and Hamilton's ability.

Stop being childish and trying to turn this into yet another slanging match between McLaren and Ferrari fanboys. What you're saying may or may not be true, but has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread, the thread is about Schumacher and Alonso. If you look at other threads I have said that I have no problem with teams adopting a lead / second driver strategy, I do however have a problem with people denying reality...

[The Immortal Dragon]

Stop being childish and trying to turn this into yet another slanging match between McLaren and Ferrari fanboys. What you're saying may or may not be true, but has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread, the thread is about Schumacher and Alonso. If you look at other threads I have said that I have no problem with teams adopting a lead / second driver strategy, I do however have a problem with people denying reality...

That's not what I was trying to say, but it doesn't matter.

I personally don't think it was Schumacher (or Hamilton, or Hakkinen, or Alonso or *any* good driver) that chose his team-mates, so it wasn't really that he didn't want a levelled fight with a team-mate. The team though he was the #1 driver and therefore gave him a #2 driver. So what? It happens all the time with great drivers (with exceptions, as always)


I would suggest you to calm down, by the way. We are chattering in a F1 forum, I don't see any reason to use words such as 'imbecile' or say that I am being childish .

[zurich_allan]

Fair enough, though I still think it is childish to turn every thread into a Ferrari v McLaren or possibly Alonso v Hamilton playground fight. Whether you meant it or not, that's certainly how the comment reads.

And the imbecile comment wasn't directed at you personally, it was and indeed is directed at anyone who might try to argue that Schumacher wasn't clearly given preferential treatment at both Benetton and Ferrari, and I stand by it. Again, to qualify that, I'm not saying that I disagree with teams adopting that type of strategy, or that I think it is wrong for a team to do so within the rules, simply that this is the reality of the situation.

[f1ea]

Me.

No. Hamilton would destroy you.

[madbrad]

Me.

No. Hamilton would destroy you.

Dude I can roundhouse kick the car around the circuit faster than he can drive it around. I'm trained by Chuck Norris.

[f1ea]

Me.

No. Hamilton would destroy you.

Dude I can roundhouse kick the car around the circuit faster than he can drive it around. I'm trained by Chuck Norris.

chuck's a badass.