F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking

F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194506

By formula1man - 05 Apr 10, 13:26

- 05 Apr 10, 13:26#194506

Do you think an F-Duct or even allowing a Flexible Rear wing would improve overtaking? I mean through high speed corners would it mean that you are creating less drag and dirty air, allowing the car behind to stay closer??

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194642

By The Planet Steve - 06 Apr 10, 00:01

- 06 Apr 10, 00:01#194642

It may well increase overtaking but if you want to see overtaking watch another sport, there hasn't been overtaking in Formula One for 20 years. You watch Formula One to see the pinnacle racing.

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Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194779

By texasmr2 - 06 Apr 10, 19:12

- 06 Apr 10, 19:12#194779

The Planet Steve wrote:It may well increase overtaking but if you want to see overtaking watch another sport, there hasn't been overtaking in Formula One for 20 years. You watch Formula One to see the pinnacle racing.

20yr's are you certain about that??

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Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194856

By antoniob - 07 Apr 10, 10:05

- 07 Apr 10, 10:05#194856

20 years is a long long time to be in a coma too

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194864

By DOOOMKULTUS - 07 Apr 10, 12:48

- 07 Apr 10, 12:48#194864

MotoGp coming in 4 days time, best top level racing sport to watch overtaking excitement.
F1 is still great, it just doesn't happen to be exhilarating every race, thats it.

American oval racing is boring as well,even though it has some overtaking, its monotonous.

Tifoso

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194977

By Fred_C_Dobbs - 07 Apr 10, 22:22

- 07 Apr 10, 22:22#194977

I can't see that it could reduce overtaking, plus it gives us something more to argue about.

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--Dobbsie

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#194984

By Jensonb - 07 Apr 10, 23:55

- 07 Apr 10, 23:55#194984

Fred_C_Dobbs wrote:I can't see that it could reduce overtaking, plus it gives us something more to argue about.

Like we need that

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Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195248

By Fred_C_Dobbs - 10 Apr 10, 00:59

- 10 Apr 10, 00:59#195248

IMHO (which, combined with a couple of bob, will get you a nice cuppa tea), the problem is there's just too much reliance on aerodynamic downforce. These cars cannot abide the disruption of close drafting another car. For the better part, I have to agree with The Planet Steve. The classic, nail-biting, mano-a-mano driver duels to the death have become ever so rare since F1 discovered ground effects. Go to YouTube and watch some of the videos of Lauda and Piquet Sr., or Senna and Prost in the early days. Their tires were wider than Hadrian's Wall and their wings smaller than Keeley Hazell's bikini. Those guys often would pass and re-pass for lap after lap until one was punted to the gravel traps or the chequered flag fell.

So my solution is three-fold.

1. Very wide, very sticky tires and very tiny wings
2. Next track that's built (or resurfaced), slice Hermann Tilke into very thin strips to be used in place of bitumen. Or cube, freeze-dry and lacquer him to be used as cobbles to designate the start/finish (a la Indianapolis).
3. Require every car wearing a Ferrari badge to have a 12-cylinder engine

I guarantee that will improve the drama of the racing.

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Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195249

By f1ea - 10 Apr 10, 02:02

- 10 Apr 10, 02:02#195249

Wider or maybe softer tires and the simple diffuser as originally intended should help a lot.

Many of Tilke's tracks provide overtaking opportunities (regardless of their blandness or any other boring qualities)... it is simply/basically impossible with today's cars.

I dont think they will completely throw out everything that's been done on aerodynamics... just like they wont (likely) throw out the seamless gears. Its just a matter of making the cars still have "something else" left to drive with when trailing behind someone's dirty air.

Came out fighting indeed.

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195250

By bud - 10 Apr 10, 02:25

- 10 Apr 10, 02:25#195250

Fred c dobbs you know your s***!

Wide tyres, less aero reliant, smaller brakes ( bigger braking zones ) will see more overtaking in F1!

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195251

By f1ea - 10 Apr 10, 02:57

- 10 Apr 10, 02:57#195251

bud wrote:Fred c dobbs you know your s***!

Wide tyres, less aero reliant, smaller brakes ( bigger braking zones ) will see more overtaking in F1!

You forgot the Ferrari V12's

Came out fighting indeed.

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195257

By bud - 10 Apr 10, 03:35

- 10 Apr 10, 03:35#195257

f1ea wrote:
bud wrote:Fred c dobbs you know your s***!

Wide tyres, less aero reliant, smaller brakes ( bigger braking zones ) will see more overtaking in F1!
You forgot the Ferrari V12's

no I didn't

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195268

By formula1man - 10 Apr 10, 11:08

- 10 Apr 10, 11:08#195268

i want more overtaking but i dont want the prestige of the sport to die in the mean time. Teams need a bit of freedom, if u go restricting a whole bunch of things it will start to become similar to one make series

Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195288

By EwanM - 10 Apr 10, 18:05

- 10 Apr 10, 18:05#195288

formula1man wrote:i want more overtaking but i dont want the prestige of the sport to die in the mean time. Teams need a bit of freedom, if u go restricting a whole bunch of things it will start to become similar to one make series

Yup totally agree.

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Re: F-Duct & Flexible Rear Wing improving Overtaking#195360

By billindenver - 11 Apr 10, 13:42

- 11 Apr 10, 13:42#195360

Less down force, more tire and smaller brakes.

Problems solved....whats next?

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