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[EwanM]

An F1 season free of controversy? Has that ever happened?

Never

[Frosty]

Hello to everyone,
I am new here but I watch F1 since the mid 80's as A kid and I have to say that I feel that this was the worse F1 season since I started watching it.
Many "secrets" were revealed during this year that made us all feel that it is not A fair sports anymore, or maybe it never was?!
I and also people with whom I discussed f1 have lost the trust in it and feel that all the races are all fixed, everything there is bogus.

There are many reasons for this feeling, logical reasons but the main reason why this was one of the worse ever F1 seasons was Brawn GP, and to be more accurate it was because Brawn GP won the constructor and drivers championships.
The winning of Brawn GP is not logical, it is not logical that they won 8 out of the 16 races in their maiden season.
It is not logical because:
1. They were just established in March 2009.
2. They didn't have an engine until the very last moment.
3. They didn't practice at all before the season started.

Yet they were able to win 8 out of 16 races, win from the very first race, days after the team was established (yeah I remember that many of the Honda folks continue working for Brawn but lets also remember that Honda was not one of the top teams).
After they were not able to use the Honda engine they bought the Mercedes engine and were able to extract from it more than the team that produced it!!
Winning without practicing with it, without doing almost any fine tuning, without studying it (I guess the people that work at McLaren Mercedes and the other teams that used this engine are not so smart, or maybe the Brawn workers are all geniuses?).
We should also remember that when Fisichella moved to Ferrari A couple of months ago after racing for Force India (and practicing before the season began with Force India), he said that it isn't going to be easy (he proved to be correct) because due to the rules and regulations he cannot practice in the Ferrari car, even Raikkonen said in an interview that he is glad that Fisichella joined Ferrari but it is not going to be easy for him because each car in the F1 is so individual that it takes lots of practise to get used to each one of them.

And Brawn won from race one with Jenson Button when he didn't even sit in his new teams car, he beat everyone while he and Barichello were the only drivers that didn't practise, A thing that other teams and drivers were doing for months, Brawn GP beat teams that have been in F1 since ever, teams like Mclaren Mercedes, Ferrari, Toyota, Bmw etc that spend each and every year millions and millions of dollars/euros/pounds in developing their cars, teams that have their own race circuits and wind tunnels and much more.

They are trying to "sell" us that it was the "diffuser" that made the difference (reminding you'll that Williams and Toyota used the same configuration like Brawn), or you can hear Ross saying in interviews lately that prepaired A couple of cars almost 15 months before the 2009 season began.
Well if that is true Ross Brawn has to be psychic no? After all he knew almost 15 months before the season began that he will have A team of his own, he looked into the mind of Bernie and knew all the changes Bernie would introduce into the F1 (reminding you'll there were many changes in each of the last two seasons, many of them not logical at all).

If Brawn would have taken Schumacher or Hakkinen or the late Ayrton Senna at their prime and told us that they have A driver that has proven himself and won championships and therefore they have an advantage over teams with less capable drivers maybe they would have A point but I want to remind you'll that before this season he has already driven for "Williams", "Benneton", "Renault", "Bar" and "Honda" in the F1 for 9 seasons in all prior to this one, he has participated in over 150 F1 races prior to this season and he won just once and now "suddenly" he won 6 races in one season.
I just hope that the next season will be free of controversy and bring back some dignity to the F1.

I think your wrong and some of your arguments are quite clearly very flawed. There has always been a huge amount of controversy in F1 and the sport has always been corrupt in some ways. I really have no idea what your point is about Brawn do you have any idea how much work Honda put into that car? That's why it's so fast and the idea that the Brawn team can get more out of the engine than McLaren is total rubbish. Brawn did do testing before the start of the season and everyone commented that they were very fast so that's your 3rd point that has been proved quite incorrect. The fact that you seem to think that Brawn was brand new team shows a very large gap in your knowledge Brawn was just Honda re branded and without the very poor Honda engine the team didn't even make any personal cuts until the start of the season so that's your second point proved incorrect. Fitting the Mercedes engine was not much of a problem for Brawn because the engine runs cool and fitted well with the chassis they designed that's why it was chosen over the Ferrari engine so that pretty much explains why the engine wasn't a problem after all it's the best on the grid. You also have to factor in the fact that Ferrari and McLaren have seriously underperformed this season that is mainly due to not taking advantage from loopholes at the start of the season and working so hard on the 08 cars.

[myownalias]

Damn, I thought that I was cynical...

2009 hasn't been a classic season but it has been interesting, six different winners from four different teams, even Force India scoring decent points.

[darwin dali]

Here we go again with those conspiracy aficionados - next you'll be telling us that Galilei was a scam artist and the sun does in fact revolve around the earth...

[Frosty]

Here we go again with those conspiracy aficionados - next you'll be telling us that Galilei was a scam artist and the sun does in fact revolve around the earth...

[Denthúl]

Well, that brightened up my otherwise-boring Halloween. Cool.

[texasmr2]

Hmmm it kinda look's and smell's like:

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[Jacob]

Just to make A point clear, Brawn himself said in an interview few days before the season began that he just hopes to "survive" the season, and that he feels sorry for both of his drivers that they didn't have A chance to practise with the car like other drivers from other teams (during the season after he started winning he suddenly spoke like he has prepaired for this season for A very long time).
And suddenly their car was good enough not only to survive but to win from race one haa?
Honda had mixed reactions before the team was shut down, on one hand they said in an interview that they were working on the car for the upcoming season on the other hand they repeatedly said that because of the unclarity of the teams future the work wasn't continous, rapid and extensive like in previous seasons.
By the way darwin dali, youre talking about conspiracy theories, I don't think it is A conspiracy it is just A matter of lying and cheating by Ecclestone and Brawn "that's all".
By the way it would'nt hurt you not to believe each and everything you see/hear/read on you're television/radio/news papers/internet, burying your head in the sand an imagining that everything and everyone is fine might be A way to see things but I am sorry I don't think it usually is the right way.
The only single thing I completly take back from what I wrote is something I wrote in my second post, I really think that Button is A terrific driver and A worthy champion, not mediocre by any means, I am sure that he will continue to prove himself in the future.
A last comment, I agree with you'll that almost in every season there are controversies (I haven't forgotten the Renault-Briatore-Alonso story that came out this year about the previous season, and much more), I just think that this season had the biggest ones ever, it was purely A corrupted season.

[scotty]

I don't understand, what is your point exactly?

in fact, if anyone can tell me precisely what this guy is so pissed off about, it'd be much obliged.

[darwin dali]

A last comment, I agree with you'll that almost in every season there are controversies (I haven't forgotten the Renault-Briatore-Alonso story that came out this year about the previous season, and much more), I just think that this season had the biggest ones ever, it was purely A corrupted season.

Another blooper - get your facts straight!

[Denthúl]

I take it Jacob doesn't realise that Honda poured nearly $400m in to the car and had three separate designs in three different wind tunnels from quite early on last year? I'm also going to assume that he doesn't realise that the dimensions of the Honda and Mercedes engines were very similar.

[RA Dunk]

I take it Jacob doesn't realise that Honda poured nearly $400m in to the car and had three separate designs in three different wind tunnels from quite early on last year? I'm also going to assume that he doesn't realise that the dimensions of the Honda and Mercedes engines were very similar.

I dont think he realises very much TBH, for what ever reason he seems to have a serious hate for Brawn (a bit like AKR has for every team on the grid apart from Ferrari), could Jacob be AKR`s boyfriend

[texasmr2]

Jacob,
Sir may I ask what team you follow? I have an uncanny sense that I already know but do not want to start a riot.

[Jacob]

Folks don't take it so personal, I am just expressing my opinion and the opinion of so many people after this terrible season.
Responding to some of your comments:
* In general it is good to have many winners and an exciting season as written but I don't care that there were 6 different winners when I feel and think that the championship was fixed, it doesn't really matter.
* Dnethul, the 400 million figure you wrote about is EXACTLLY the kind of flase info that is being spreaded which I and actually everyone should aviod, you better get your facts corrected.
* Texasmr2, I have to be honest with you I am not A huge fan of any of the teams in recent years.
When I was A kid and in my teenage years I was A Ferrari fan but I guess I have grown pass that stage, even when I was A Ferrari fan I liked and cheered for drivers from other teams for example Senna, Hakkinen, Piquet etc, I am also very sorry that BMW are leaving F1, I guess I don't feel like A fan of A particular team and like F1 as A sport as A whole.
* I don't know who AKR is but if she is single and cute I would'nt mind to be introduced to her and it doesn''t really matter to me which team she likes or dislikes
* And scotty I am not trying to make A point, as an F1 fan that is deeply dissapointed with what is going on in recent years and especially this season I decided to write my and actually the opinion of so many people, that's all.

Well I think that enough has been said by me on this matter, what I really like about this forum beside it being very interesting with knoledgeable people is the fact that many fans enter it and thus can be useful when you want people to read also about the unpleasent sides the F1 has.

[McLaren Fan]

Jacob, your knowledge of Formula One is clearly suspect, but agree with you on one thing: this has been an abominable season and I am wholeheartedly glad it is nearly over.