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By Jacob
#166696
Hello to everyone,
I am new here but I watch F1 since the mid 80's as A kid and I have to say that I feel that this was the worse F1 season since I started watching it.
Many "secrets" were revealed during this year that made us all feel that it is not A fair sports anymore, or maybe it never was?!
I and also people with whom I discussed f1 have lost the trust in it and feel that all the races are all fixed, everything there is bogus.

There are many reasons for this feeling, logical reasons but the main reason why this was one of the worse ever F1 seasons was Brawn GP, and to be more accurate it was because Brawn GP won the constructor and drivers championships.
The winning of Brawn GP is not logical, it is not logical that they won 8 out of the 16 races in their maiden season.
It is not logical because:
1. They were just established in March 2009.
2. They didn't have an engine until the very last moment.
3. They didn't practice at all before the season started.

Yet they were able to win 8 out of 16 races, win from the very first race, days after the team was established (yeah I remember that many of the Honda folks continue working for Brawn but lets also remember that Honda was not one of the top teams).
After they were not able to use the Honda engine they bought the Mercedes engine and were able to extract from it more than the team that produced it!!
Winning without practicing with it, without doing almost any fine tuning, without studying it (I guess the people that work at McLaren Mercedes and the other teams that used this engine are not so smart, or maybe the Brawn workers are all geniuses?).
We should also remember that when Fisichella moved to Ferrari A couple of months ago after racing for Force India (and practicing before the season began with Force India), he said that it isn't going to be easy (he proved to be correct) because due to the rules and regulations he cannot practice in the Ferrari car, even Raikkonen said in an interview that he is glad that Fisichella joined Ferrari but it is not going to be easy for him because each car in the F1 is so individual that it takes lots of practise to get used to each one of them.

And Brawn won from race one with Jenson Button when he didn't even sit in his new teams car, he beat everyone while he and Barichello were the only drivers that didn't practise, A thing that other teams and drivers were doing for months, Brawn GP beat teams that have been in F1 since ever, teams like Mclaren Mercedes, Ferrari, Toyota, Bmw etc that spend each and every year millions and millions of dollars/euros/pounds in developing their cars, teams that have their own race circuits and wind tunnels and much more.

They are trying to "sell" us that it was the "diffuser" that made the difference (reminding you'll that Williams and Toyota used the same configuration like Brawn), or you can hear Ross saying in interviews lately that prepaired A couple of cars almost 15 months before the 2009 season began.
Well if that is true Ross Brawn has to be psychic no? After all he knew almost 15 months before the season began that he will have A team of his own, he looked into the mind of Bernie and knew all the changes Bernie would introduce into the F1 (reminding you'll there were many changes in each of the last two seasons, many of them not logical at all).

If Brawn would have taken Schumacher or Hakkinen or the late Ayrton Senna at their prime and told us that they have A driver that has proven himself and won championships and therefore they have an advantage over teams with less capable drivers maybe they would have A point but I want to remind you'll that before this season he has already driven for "Williams", "Benneton", "Renault", "Bar" and "Honda" in the F1 for 9 seasons in all prior to this one, he has participated in over 150 F1 races prior to this season and he won just once and now "suddenly" he won 6 races in one season.
I just hope that the next season will be free of controversy and bring back some dignity to the F1.
By Juliet P
#166700
:rolleyes: I'm not going to deconstruct your argument and contradict it point by point, because, frankly, we've had this discussion in a dozen different ways already.
But suffice to say I disagree with you. On pretty much all counts.

But welcome to the forum! :)
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By scotty
#166702
An F1 season free of controversy? Has that ever happened? :hehe:
By Gaz
#166703
you are so very wrong on a factual level but i am to hungover to bother listing them.

Suffice to say i suggest you check your facts because your post above is based on nothing but incorrect speculation.
By al4x
#166704
what a load of complete tosh!

they had a car which honda had been developing for a year, it hadnt been tested but the amount of time and money that went in it was bound to be good

the team has a new name, but most of it was the old honda team, staff, car etc,

it wasnt a miracle, but what should of happened with a car having that much time spent on it

not 'illogical' at all

:rolleyes:
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By RA Dunk
#166710
Hello to everyone,
I am new here but I watch F1 since the mid 80's as A kid and I have to say that I feel that this was the worse F1 season since I started watching it.
Many "secrets" were revealed during this year that made us all feel that it is not A fair sports anymore, or maybe it never was?!
I and also people with whom I discussed f1 have lost the trust in it and feel that all the races are all fixed, everything there is bogus.

There are many reasons for this feeling, logical reasons but the main reason why this was one of the worse ever F1 seasons was Brawn GP, and to be more accurate it was because Brawn GP won the constructor and drivers championships.
The winning of Brawn GP is not logical, it is not logical that they won 8 out of the 16 races in their maiden season.
It is not logical because:
1. They were just established in March 2009.
2. They didn't have an engine until the very last moment.
3. They didn't practice at all before the season started.

Yet they were able to win 8 out of 16 races, win from the very first race, days after the team was established (yeah I remember that many of the Honda folks continue working for Brawn but lets also remember that Honda was not one of the top teams).
After they were not able to use the Honda engine they bought the Mercedes engine and were able to extract from it more than the team that produced it!!
Winning without practicing with it, without doing almost any fine tuning, without studying it (I guess the people that work at McLaren Mercedes and the other teams that used this engine are not so smart, or maybe the Brawn workers are all geniuses?).
We should also remember that when Fisichella moved to Ferrari A couple of months ago after racing for Force India (and practicing before the season began with Force India), he said that it isn't going to be easy (he proved to be correct) because due to the rules and regulations he cannot practice in the Ferrari car, even Raikkonen said in an interview that he is glad that Fisichella joined Ferrari but it is not going to be easy for him because each car in the F1 is so individual that it takes lots of practise to get used to each one of them.

And Brawn won from race one with Jenson Button when he didn't even sit in his new teams car, he beat everyone while he and Barichello were the only drivers that didn't practise, A thing that other teams and drivers were doing for months, Brawn GP beat teams that have been in F1 since ever, teams like Mclaren Mercedes, Ferrari, Toyota, Bmw etc that spend each and every year millions and millions of dollars/euros/pounds in developing their cars, teams that have their own race circuits and wind tunnels and much more.

They are trying to "sell" us that it was the "diffuser" that made the difference (reminding you'll that Williams and Toyota used the same configuration like Brawn), or you can hear Ross saying in interviews lately that prepaired A couple of cars almost 15 months before the 2009 season began.
Well if that is true Ross Brawn has to be psychic no? After all he knew almost 15 months before the season began that he will have A team of his own, he looked into the mind of Bernie and knew all the changes Bernie would introduce into the F1 (reminding you'll there were many changes in each of the last two seasons, many of them not logical at all).

If Brawn would have taken Schumacher or Hakkinen or the late Ayrton Senna at their prime and told us that they have A driver that has proven himself and won championships and therefore they have an advantage over teams with less capable drivers maybe they would have A point but I want to remind you'll that before this season he has already driven for "Williams", "Benneton", "Renault", "Bar" and "Honda" in the F1 for 9 seasons in all prior to this one, he has participated in over 150 F1 races prior to this season and he won just once and now "suddenly" he won 6 races in one season.
I just hope that the next season will be free of controversy and bring back some dignity to the F1.



I can answer every one of your questions with two words

Ross Brawn,

This guy has sh!t load of success behind him, Where were Ferrari with him, now look where Ferrari without him, The guy has a natural talent most of us can only marvel at :wink:
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By Hexagram
#166711
I support F1 before the drivers, so regardless of who wins or loses once there is good racing and multiple different winners then I'm happy. Obviously I would have liked Alonso to do better this season than he has done but you can't get everything you wish for.
By Jacob
#166714
Hello to all of you'll,
I realise that it is really difficult for some people to accept the fact that the entire F1 season was A sham. People try to cling on to the stories made up by F1 folks.
Believe that Honda suddenly had A car that was good enough (and decided to quit), believe that drivers can succeed and win 50% of all the races without any practise at all (trashing teams that spend each and every year millions and millions), believe that A car with A new engine that hasn't been tested by the team is good enough to win from race one (and beat the builders of the engine), believe that A diffuser setting is responsible for entire season, believe that Jenson Button who was A good but mediocre driver in terms of success and talent has suddenly become A superstar, believe that drivers without any practise are better then drivers that did prepair and practise for months, believe that Ross Brawn is some kind of psychic and A genious, believe that Bernie Ecclestone is A honest person.
But that doesn't change the facts mentioned in my previous post.
I congratiulate Jenson Button for winning the title but can he be proud of it? I doubt that seriously.

The world is full of people "selling" us lies, hey even countries lie to us sometimes so why would anyone think that Bernie Ecclestone and Ross Brawn are decent and honest people?
Let us also remember that the only folks that have full access to the all the cars, the folks that have sole access to examine and inspect the cars and approve them wether they are legal or not are the folks that work for Bernie.
I wrote these things cause I want people to read these claims which are actually facts and not be blinded by stories sold to them by people that are not objective, people from the industry, people that have something to gain by tilting the story one way or another, the media or fans of one or another side, I am also sure you'll have discusses it A lot but as A person that is following the races closely for 25 years, I just know that this season was A sham.
By Juliet P
#166715
Why are you capitalising A all the time? Bizarre...
By Jovin
#166718
I get told off by my wife for reading forums because some of the nonsense that gets posted just winds me up.....I have to say on this occasion she probably has a valid point :rofl:
#166720
I remember knowing that Honda would have a good car this year and were expecting race wins at the start of 2008 so your logic is irrelevant
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By RA Dunk
#166730
Everything about this thread is illogical

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By djt
#166731
The whole season is a "sham" because a underdog managed to pull it out of the bag and win is essentialy what your trying to say.

a) they did drive the car pre season or a variation, john button ( thats jenson's dad right ? ) was talking about how they went from the gloom of the collapse of honda over the winter to the joy of actualy having a car which wasnt just racable at last but somthing that was able to win.
b) brawn is essentialy honda with less people, they have the same facilities, pretty much the same staff and you also have to remember there car was in development since way back in the 08 season and poored millions and millions into it.
c) ferrari and mclaren had pigs of car's, there were only a couple of teams that were fully up to scratch with there car's at the start of the season ( brawn, redbull, toyota ) and that was more than evident in the first 9 / 10 ish race's its also meant that when it comes to developing it there has been less work to do to keep up with the competition. And the lack of ferrari / mclaren dosnt make for a sham of a season its a breath of fresh air frankly.

One of the things that i am most happy about is the fact that at some point over the season absolutly everyone has had a chance to challenge for a podium or at least good points rather than the same people being stuck constantly at the back of the grid there to just provide fodder for a crash.

2009 WDC has been a really interesting year, one of the most interesting in a long time.
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