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By pit_babe
#15552
i repeat...why that penalty to kubica???
And why wasnt ferrari penalised for disobeying Charlie Whitings instructions. They said they "didnt know " everyone else did , ferrari favouritism yet again
By certom
#15555
oh merda, allora:

1- don't answer me with an another question
2- the FIA ESCUSED WITH FERRARI for hadn't provided that document, each decision has to be signed by each team, Ferrari did not had that document and they didn't signed it..otherwise they would have done it!! and they would have respected it!

now answer if you can please...
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By pit_babe
#15556
oh merda, allora:

1- don't answer me with an another question
2- the FIA ESCUSED WITH FERRARI for hadn't provided that document, each decision has to be signed by each team, Ferrari did not had that document and they didn't signed it..otherwise they would have done it!! and they would have respected it!

now answer if you can please...

1. dont tell me what I can or cant do, Im not your lacky
2. I doubt it. the FIA are so pro ferrari they could get away with anything
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By stonemonkey
#15557
Possibly not a totally fair decision considering a lot of the other events on the track but I think it was because he took full advantage of his mistake.
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By Selcouth_Feline
#15558
1- the decision of the FIA of starting with heavy rains, as every decision made by the FIA must be undersigned by each team, and Ferrari didn't. We will understand(or maybe not) what happened in the next hours, but that's a sad point for the FIA.

I didn't realise they had to sign something. I have to admit my first thoughts were - oh, Ferrari stretching the rules to their limits again ;)

2- why that penalty to kubica for colliding with LH? this is the game, this is motorsports, he didn't done it intentionally, but most of all, LH was still in race after it although he lost a position. so why ralf hasn't been punished for the collision with Yamamoto with a 10 position shift? maybe becuase none of them is a 20 year old leader of the championship..


I was puzzled by this one - OK they collided, but I didn't see the need for a penalty?

Loved the last minute action between Massa and Kubica - great racing!!
Feel really, really sorry for Vettel because he was doing so well.
And fab drive from Kimi! Shame Ferrari stuffed up the tyre situation or I think he would have stood a great chance of winning the race.

Alonso - did karma finally catch up with him ;)
By ArtHowe
#15565
but I find it quite sad to see such bitterness around the forum after such an entertaining and eventful race showing for the most a lot of extreme driving skill from all the drivers.


I agree Monkey.

As usual Ferrari try to bend the rules... only, this time, the FIA didn't go along with their games and , predictably, the Ferrari mob are enraged by this "injustice".

:D
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By stonemonkey
#15568
2- the FIA ESCUSED WITH FERRARI for hadn't provided that document, each decision has to be signed by each team, Ferrari did not had that document and they didn't signed it..otherwise they would have done it!! and they would have respected it!


The teams were emailed with instructions about the tyres and Ferrari claim they didn't recieve the email until after the race start. I seriously doubt that whoever sent the emails suddenly realised a couple of laps into the race he'd forgotten about Ferrari and then sent it to them.
By ArtHowe
#15574
If all the commentators, and their grandmothers, knew about it then Ferrari knew about it. If nothing else, the lady in the photocopying shop would have called them and told them!
:D
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By McLaren Fan
#15575
i would discuss two things:
1- the decision of the FIA of starting with heavy rains, as every decision made by the FIA must be undersigned by each team, and Ferrari didn't. We will understand(or maybe not) what happened in the next hours, but that's a sad point for the FIA.

I don't believe that Italian trash. Every other team knew, every other driver knew, all of the press knew. The truth is Ferrari have manipulated the computers to make it seem they did not know about intermediate, or wet - not super-wet - tyres being banned for the start. Ferrari are hardly the face of honesty and, furthermore, they've been given enough over the past few years, don't you think. :roll: Besides, the dopes made the wrong choice of tyres anyway.

The fact is, without German efficiency and British common sense, Ferrari have fallen into the shambles they always were. The cars aren't quick enough or reliable enough. They try to circumvent the rules. They make mistakes with Massa's pitstops. Massa overtakes under the safety car, and then tries to do his drive-through penalty under the safety car. When Massa was ahead of Raikkonen and they brought Massa in, I thought it was a tactical move to let Raikkonen ahead, but when I saw the fuel going in, I thought what a bunch of arses. How they must be missing Schumacher and Ross Brawn.

As for the honest racers on the track, it's a shame what happened to Webber and Vettel. I think Vettel was even more upset, however, he will learn from the experience. What happened to Button was also sad. He was on for a good result.

There were a number of other drivers who did well: Kovalainen, Coulthard, Sutil and Raikkonen.

Hamilton did very well to keep the car on the track and make little or not mistakes, unlike Alonso. Incidentally, for the first time ever, or certainly not far off, Alonso made mention of the good work of the team!
Last edited by McLaren Fan on 30 Sep 07, 13:38, edited 1 time in total.
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By Selcouth_Feline
#15586
The truth is Ferrari have manipulated the computers to make it seem they did not know about intermediate, or wet - not super-wet - tyres being banned for the start.


Honestly, it is *really* not feasible for them to tamper with the computers like this. Their only defence can be that Domencali either didn't download the emails from the server in time, or he didn't read hi mails prior to the race. I personally feel that Ferrari tried to bend the rules and it didn't work, and now they have come up with some lame excuse that holds no water.

They make mistakes with Massa's pitstops. Massa overtakes under the safety car, and then tries to do his drive-through penalty under the safety car. When Massa was ahead of Raikkonen and they brought Massa in, I thought it was a tactical move to let Raikkonen ahead, but when I saw the fuel gone in, I thought what a bunch of arses. How they must be missing Schumacher and Ross Brawn.


I wondered if they had stuffed up the fuel calcuations as the Massa pit-stop tactics were mighty odd. I feel a little sorry for Raikkonen and Massa as both had a chance of better finishes today, but it seems team tactics scuppered them both.
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By McLaren Fan
#15589
I wondered if they had stuffed up the fuel calcuations as the Massa pit-stop tactics were mighty odd. I feel a little sorry for Raikkonen and Massa as both had a chance of better finishes today, but it seems team tactics scuppered them both.

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By texasmr2
#15621
i would discuss two things:
1- the decision of the FIA of starting with heavy rains, as every decision made by the FIA must be undersigned by each team, and Ferrari didn't. We will understand(or maybe not) what happened in the next hours, but that's a sad point for the FIA.

Bob Varsha stated that when it's an issue of safety the FIA can make or change rule's without any approval from the team's. I have to admit that I believe my beloved Ferrari just outright "dropped the ball" with their choice of starting tire's. It was said that the rain had started early and just got heavier and heavier as the morning progressed so I am baffled by their decision.
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By KyrosV
#15624
ok there is some justice, sutil got a point woooooo!
By Lewisfan
#15636
I don't agree kubica did it intentionally, Lewis show great skill as a fan I am very proud of him.......Kimi have alway been in good cars and done jack nothing with them. Vettel shouldn't be blame for anything, would you imagine if Lewis behave the way webb behaved? Great Race from a great driver Lewis.......
By ArtHowe
#15643
I don't believe that Italian trash. Every other team knew, every other driver knew, all of the press knew. The truth is Ferrari have manipulated the computers to make it seem they did not know about intermediate, or wet - not super-wet - tyres being banned for the start. Ferrari are hardly the face of honesty and, furthermore, they've been given enough over the past few years, don't you think. :roll: Besides, the dopes made the wrong choice of tyres anyway.


Wait for it McLaren Fan, the next thing we'll get will be Ferrari accusing McLaren of hacking into their email account.

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