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By McLaren Fan
#26868
For the second time you seem to have said it is fine for the FIA to have a team they prefer, just like how a team may prefer a driver.

Maybe I'm alittle slow, well yah I admit to being just a little bit :lol: , but I dont see it McLaren Fan, enlighten me please? :)

Sorry, my language was slightly convoluted. Basically what I'm saying is teams are allowed to favour one driver over another, and there are no rules etc. against this. On the other hand, a governing body has to be impartial.
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By deMuRe
#26888
If the FIA were banning teams for no good reason and handing the title to Ferrari on a platter even I would put my hand up and say it's wrong and Ferrari don't deserve the title.

But this situation is a little different. I think in this case the FIA came down on McLaren like a ton of brick for deeds gone past. Settling a score almost.

It just so happens that the team to benefit most from this is Ferrari. Well, it was their technical dossier after all, regardless of how much you think they benefited.

It's almost like McLaren are currently sitting on the FIA's naughty step and even though Renault stole some of McLaren's toys the other day it's being overlooked because they are currently being punished.
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By racechick
#26889
And you think thats the right way to govern a sport????
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By deMuRe
#26893
I think it's idealistic to want complete impartiality, always nice to strive for but just doesn't cut it with all that money floating about.

Name me 1 other sport with huge sums of money that has complete impartiality from the governing body.
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By texasmr2
#26895
deMuRe,
Save your breath because you have been nothing but impartial and understanding imho of the shaft that McLaren have gotten yet not matter what you say your word's keep getting turned around by the McLaren camp.
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By McLaren Fan
#26897
If the FIA were banning teams for no good reason and handing the title to Ferrari on a platter even I would put my hand up and say it's wrong and Ferrari don't deserve the title.

But this situation is a little different. I think in this case the FIA came down on McLaren like a ton of brick for deeds gone past. Settling a score almost.

It just so happens that the team to benefit most from this is Ferrari. Well, it was their technical dossier after all, regardless of how much you think they benefited.

It's almost like McLaren are currently sitting on the FIA's naughty step and even though Renault stole some of McLaren's toys the other day it's being overlooked because they are currently being punished.

I disagree. It's a chance for the FIA, and whoever else, to settle old scores, vendettas and help their mates at Maranello.
I think it's idealistic to want complete impartiality, always nice to strive for but just doesn't cut it with all that money floating about.

Name me 1 other sport with huge sums of money that has complete impartiality from the governing body.

You are right to say getting 100% impartiality is very difficult, but the fact is whilst other sports have, say, ninety-something percent impartiality, Formula One has none. The fact is the system is open to abuse by any party. In another world on which McLaren were best buddies with the FIA they too would be able to reap the same advantages. As I've said before, the problem lies not with Mosley but with the whole system. Some of what needs to happen is this:

    1. All teams must get equal voting rights on the WMSC;
    2. There must be no conflict of interest on the WMSC (i.e. Ecclestone and Todt to name but two should not be allowed near it);
    3. The rules have to be open to less interpretation;
    4. There should be more checks and balances, especially on the President (i.e. no new rules can be informally invented overnight, without ratification and only applying to one team)


In reading your posts DeMuRe I am flabbergasted that you think it is entirely acceptable for the FIA to favour Ferrari given they're the oldest team (you said that several weeks ago, not on this thread) or that we should just ignore and not try to stamp out corruption and favouritism in the sport.
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By deMuRe
#26902
To be honest McLaren fan, you need to take out that 2007 from your sig before I take you completely seriously. Just kidding.

I'm not talking about giving Ferrari free reign, nor am I talking about handing the title to the team with their cars painted Rossa Red.

However in this situation, where McLaren were caught with their hand in the Ferrari Cookie Jar, coming down on them harder because it's Ferrari and not Torro Rosso is completely acceptable.

However I just don't think it's that, I think Max and Bernie are also score settling.

Deep down inside I'm a purist from way back, but from my experiences in the real world I've had to throw my ideals out the window and get real. Yes it's a governing body and yes it's meant to be impartial, but allow me to let you in on a little secret, it's all about the television money. I'm willing to bet my left testicle Ferrari are getting preferential treatment because over half of the television audience around the world would rather wear a cap with a prancing horse on it before anything else.
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By racechick
#26904
Oh well that makes it ok then. Let corruption reign :D
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By bud
#26907
thats not sport demure! you dont see this in the V8 Supercars over here you dont see this in NASCAR or CHAMPCAR or IRL

only in Europe! simply pathetic!!!!

ill always have Karting to satisfy my sporting racing thirst! there atleast its pure racing at its best!
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By deMuRe
#26908
Oh well that makes it ok then. Let corruption reign :D


:lol:

It's called looking after your number one customer 8)
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By racechick
#26909
Its called cheating
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By bud
#26910
Oh well that makes it ok then. Let corruption reign :D


:lol:

It's called looking after your number one customer 8)


well guess it makes anything Ferrari achieves lesser than the rest of the grid huh ;)

So demure your implying the FIA is creating Ferraris success in order to sell sell sell to the majority of Ferrari lambs in the world

thats what ive been saying all along ;) feed the lamb feed it feed it!
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By deMuRe
#26911
thats not sport demure! you dont see this in the V8 Supercars over here you dont see this in NASCAR or CHAMPCAR or IRL

only in Europe! simply pathetic!!!!

ill always have Karting to satisfy my sporting racing thirst! there atleast its pure racing at its best!


Well we are actually touching on a really important issue here Buddly Wuddly. You know I was wondering when you were going to pop your head up, I was having bud withdrawal symptoms.

Back to my point, we are actually highlighting the fundamental issue with F1 today, money.

I never forget what Ken Tyrrel said before his team closed it's doors, "There is something very black and sickening taking over this sport, greed."

Is all this money good for the sport? Can the sport ever be truly impartial with all this cash floating about?

I don't care how big or corrupt the sport gets, I will always watch it. But I like the business side of things as well, I love all the politics and manouvering behind the scenes.
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By McLaren Fan
#26913
Yes it's a governing body and yes it's meant to be impartial, but allow me to let you in on a little secret, it's all about the television money. I'm willing to bet my left testicle Ferrari are getting preferential treatment because over half of the television audience around the world would rather wear a cap with a prancing horse on it before anything else.

Several things. Firstly, I'm well aware of how sport, particularly Formula One, works and am not stupid. Second, other sports have a reasonably high standards of impartiality and don't have several scandals a season about their governing body screwing over teams and competitors. Finally, don't flatter yourself about how popular Ferrari are. The majority of Ferrari flags I've seen waved at Grands Prix have one guy's face on them: Michael Schumacher. Also, most people watching Formula One aren't naive so don't just tune in to see Ferrari and, often, drivers receive most of the fan's support. I'm in the minority in actually supporting a team.
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By deMuRe
#26914
Oh well that makes it ok then. Let corruption reign :D


:lol:

It's called looking after your number one customer 8)


well guess it makes anything Ferrari achieves lesser than the rest of the grid huh ;)

So demure your implying the FIA is creating Ferraris success in order to sell sell sell to the majority of Ferrari lambs in the world

thats what ive been saying all along ;) feed the lamb feed it feed it!


Ferrari is an amazing brand. It's has it's roots deep in F1. The Tifosi are passionate.

The masses like to associate with this, when they cheer for Ferrari they like to associate with the brand, the image, the mystique...

This is something the other teams will never succeed in achieving. Ford tried with Jaguar, I remember when Ford came into F1 the boss at the time went to a race and saw the masses flying the prancing horse and said one day he wants everyone to be flying Jaguar flags... LoL, bless him for trying...

Just for another car to compete with Ferrari people will associate that brand with all the wonderful aspects of Ferrari... In many ways Ferrari is what makes F1 sexy...

God Damn it they deserve all the favours they get!!!

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