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[What's Burning?]

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I don't know Spanky, the tires aren't degrading and this is the best racing today in Bahrain that I've seen in YEARS!

[Hammer278]

I changed my signature.

I changed mine too.

I don't know Spanky, the tires aren't degrading and this is the best racing today in Bahrain that I've seen in YEARS!

This race might just shut the whingers up for a bit....the Merc powered machines are enough to make F1 rock.

[spankyham]

I changed my signature.

I changed mine too.

I don't know Spanky, the tires aren't degrading and this is the best racing today in Bahrain that I've seen in YEARS!

Definitely the best race of the year. Can't wait to see these last ten laps, hope it keeps up


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[racechick]

Best answer to those who say F1 is boring! best damn race of several seasons. I wonder if the talks for change will stop now? not just for the lead, but up and down the field. superb!

[stonemonkey]

I am not sure if you actually read my carefull worked out and presented post. Or maybe it wasn't clear enough. Or maybe you are a Ferrari fan who is compelled to argue in their favour regardless of any facts or logic.

I'll try one last time.
The total fuel per race of 100 kg all the teams can achieve - this is like have a fridge full of food for a weekend of 10 meals
The total fuel flow rate of 100 kg per hour is more like a limit on how much food out of the fridge you can eat at any one time.
Without the flow restriction you could eat enough for 9 meals at one sitting then eat 1/10th at the rest
With the restriction you can only eat a max of 3 meals at once forcing you to not be a glutton at any 1 sitting.

Renault are not at their most productive unless they have 4 meals in one sitting. This would mean the other meals are leaner but at least they could pick the pony to develop full power locked in the engine
With the restriction they never have a chance to develop enough because they are still hungry after 3 meals at once

If the restrictions are lifted everyone can eat excessively at 1 meal but - here's the hard to understand part - the other 2 don't need to so their gain is much less than Renault who can now develop full power at least once allowing them to do more

It's incredible how supporters with do much passion don't take the time or realise that it's even better when the passion doesn't get in the way of facts and technical details which is a big part of F1, not just a blind support

And only RB can take advantage of pigging out from the fridge while other teams can't?

EDIT: I just re-read this bit:

here's the hard to understand part - the other 2 don't need to so their gain is much less than Renault who can now develop full power at least once allowing them to do more

You're right that is hard to understand, a team saying we could improve but we were already good enough before RB improved so we won't bother.... in F1 lol

[CookinFlat6]

The others are winning without pigging out, but Renault are not. If both are allowed to now pig out then RBR have achieved more equality. Before after each meal they were still feeling hungry and weak, but Merc were full and strong
When restriction lifted on pigging out Renault will now be full and strong at least once, and can be week and strong later

[racechick]

But wasn't fuel flow put there for safety reasons? To stop too great a speed discrepancy between cars? Isn't that how someone explained it to me? How then can they change it? Changes can happen for safety reasons I know, but not to make it more unsafe surely?

[stonemonkey]

But wasn't fuel flow put there for safety reasons? To stop too great a speed discrepancy between cars? Isn't that how someone explained it to me? How then can they change it? Changes can happen for safety reasons I know, but not to make it more unsafe surely?

I see other problems, the engines would've been designed to suit the formula as it was written at the time so parts might not be up to the job if the formula is changed and the rules regarding gear ratio selection would have to be changed too.

[CookinFlat6]

Guess that's Ferrari logic, apparently engines sounding better by higher revs from unretricted flow is more important than the safety aspect. Ofcourse you would then need 10 kg more fuel for the whole race.
But just for the sound guv

[sagi58]

Which is why we have no fans of that team commenting on anything which Ferrari are whining about this season.

You are making assumptions you have no way of backing up!

[Hammer278]

Which is why we have no fans of that team commenting on anything which Ferrari are whining about this season.

You are making assumptions you have no way of backing up!

Actually it wasn't an assumption, it was a bait for them to start posting and it definitely worked.

[CookinFlat6]

Its a shame that they dont seem willing to embrace the finer details and to be able to discuss the technology. All we get is a blanket 'I love my team they are right' which is as much use as a chocolate teapot in a discussion forum

Racechick had a very interesting technical question about the logistics and costs of Ferrari copying the Merc split turbo. The Tifosi answer - 'Ferrari would not be interested' - great stuff!

I might have to become a Ferrari fan for a short while at least to create some proper discussions. Its almost embarrasing for Ferrari to have no advocates on a whole discussion forum

[spankyham]

Best answer to those who say F1 is boring! best damn race of several seasons. I wonder if the talks for change will stop now? not just for the lead, but up and down the field. superb!

Before the start of the season, when i posted what I saw as problems with the new rules, WB? said we should wait and see - that made sense. This was a really good race and is the first time the new cars showed their potential etc. A good thing. Equally, one swallow does not a summer make, it needs to be sustained and then, they can set about addressing the sound as the outstanding problem.

[racechick]

We'll I've read somewhere that Bernie was moaning about the noise( I don't like it either) never having been to the track to hear it. Only heating it through a FOM feed where they haven't adjusted the sound outputs. Hearing it at the track he said it's ok. can you believe the man!!

[spankyham]

But wasn't fuel flow put there for safety reasons? To stop too great a speed discrepancy between cars? Isn't that how someone explained it to me? How then can they change it? Changes can happen for safety reasons I know, but not to make it more unsafe surely?

Speed discrepancy is created by the ERS - so that is not a real/valid reason.

Personally I believe the flow limit is to make F1 more production car relevant.

What the FiA told teams is that everyone would be treated equally. They would ensure that no matter how a team used the sensor, it would ensure equality. My understanding is that RBR is saying they can prove the sensor does not work the same based on its implementation and that sensors themselves have such a discrepancy in readings that teams are not treated equally. "IF" RBR can prove either of those points, then I think they have a case.

Plus, I'd be uber happy for Dan to keep his podium from Melbourne