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#94935
For anyone who says, finishing 2nd all the time and winning the WDC is a bad thing. I ask how many of you supported Kubica last year. Did he not deserve the chance to fight for the championship. His performance last year was outstanding, and that fact that he was in with a shout till just about the last race was an astouding achievement that highlighted the guys talent. However under this system, it all would've meant nothing.

I really hope the FOTA do something about all of this. Does everyone seriously think that drivers don't want to win. Just ask Kimi. The guy said he doesn't care about anything but wins, but have we really seen him drive differently. Did Massa not prove he's going all out for wins after diving around Hamiliton in Hungary. Did Lewis not prove the same thing in Spa fighting with Kimi. Did Alonso not drive his heart out in Fuji. The drivers already push for wins.

If anything, we should change the quali format. Instead have everyone running on fumes going for pole, and then in the race allow the guys in 2nd and 3rd to pick aggressive stratigies to be able take the lead. That in my opinion is how we'll make more battles for the lead.



Yeah but people whould try to be not on pole.
#94936
Mostly Unfair.
Last seasons race was not fair under any circumstances.
Lewis has talent no doubt? but that race and title should of been Massa's.
He pushed throught out the whole race to keep the whole pack behind?
But from Toyotas mistake Massa lost out? maybe this wil give the divers a much needed push to strive for the best


oh shut up :rolleyes:
#94937
Mostly Unfair.
Last seasons race was not fair under any circumstances.
Lewis has talent no doubt? but that race and title should of been Massa's.
He pushed throught out the whole race to keep the whole pack behind?
But from Toyotas mistake Massa lost out? maybe this wil give the divers a much needed push to strive for the best


Spa you muppet

Lewis won fair and square now stop being a gobshite
#94953
i dont wish death on anyone but cant Bernie and Max just hurry up and croke for the sake of the sport!?!?! :hehe:


I know a guy that knows a guy...

£750. All angles covered.


bargain :rofl:


I thought so, too. And that's for both of them, no questions asked. :)
#94960
Too easy way out of misery for them. Have them suffer a long agonizing death - I'm talking months. Start with their finger- and toenails and their teeth (the few they still have) - pull them out one a day. Use a microtome and chop off a mm-slice of their d!cks every day. Pull their skin starting at their waist about one cm a day and at the end let them suffocate in their own skin tied together above their head. :whip::director::twisted:
#94962
Too easy way out of misery for them. Have them suffer a long agonizing death - I'm talking months. Start with their finger- and toenails and their teeth (the few they still have) - pull them out one a day. Use a microtome and chop off a mm-slice of their d!cks every day. Pull their skin starting at their waist about one cm a day and at the end let them suffocate in their own skin tied together above their head. :whip::director::twisted:


You need a censor.

:rofl:
#94964
-Sigh-

So here we are the again, another contentious issue grips the Formula One world and only adds to the already pulsating build up to this years Championship. The revelations of today’s World Council meeting are sure to have an effect on the sport in general - whether positive or negative, only time will tell.
The big talking point among many of the Formula One fans is that of the change of the points system. Instead of adopting the more favoured FOTA proposals, the FIA have reverted back to a system similar to that of 1988-1991 where a Champion will only be crowned by winning the most races. Unfortunately I find this system has too many flaws - It didn’t work then, and it won’t work now.
As Winter testing has shown, we are in for one of the closest seasons of Grand Prix racing in living memory, so much so that a variety of winners could be expected. In 1988 however, it was clear by the third race of the season that only two drivers (Senna and Prost) had a real shot at winning the title. In this case the system appeared to work, despite much protest from Alain Prost who’s would prove to be a leading figure behind the more favoured points system. Over the period of 88-90 Prost was the more consistent finisher to Senna, scoring more points finishes than his rival who claimed his two titles due to scoring more race victories.
The truth is, that was then and this is now. Should a driver really be crowned World Champion if all he has to do is win the majority of the races and then not care where he finishes the rest? This opens up another criticism of the FIA’s proposals. If the title race ends early (like it possibly could in future), then doesn’t that dispel their reasoning behind adopting this system in the first place? For example, If Massa wraps up the majority of wins by Mid Season he will certainly not have any added reason to attempt to win the remaining races. Instead he can quite happily pick up points for the constructors championship, safe in the knowledge he has nothing to risk.
Furthermore, what does today’s decision say about FOTA? I was never a fan of rewarding points for Pole Position, but their planned points system was very fair and presented the FIA with the very impetus of winning races that they were pushing for.
The truth is, the idea of medals never went away. It simply lurked, while the fans and media congregated around new car launches, and the future of Brawn GP. Although the little round medallions have been put back in their drawer, Eccelstone has still got what he wanted. How Formula One has changed in these last three decades. During this time the FIA President and commerical rights holder have morphed into the very figures they were fighting against when they were on the side of the teams in that ill fated fiasco. Now they simply beat down the vital organs of the sport. Mosley has said that FOTA’s cost cutting measures aren’t good enough, as economic times have worsened since they were agreed. So why has the FIA president imposed his own budget proposals without the consent of the teams? Why has FOTA been bypassed so easily? Surely its legitimacy must now be questioned?

On a final note, I would really like to find out who were the participants of the FIA’s market research. Surely they haven’t been watching the same Formula One as we have?
#94983
Not quite accurate re. 1988-1991:

Seasons 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th Fastest lap Best results counted
1950–1953 8 6 4 3 2 1 4
1954 8 6 4 3 2 1 5
1955–1957 8 6 4 3 2 1 5
1958 8 6 4 3 2 1 6
1959 8 6 4 3 2 1 5
1960 8 6 4 3 2 1 6
1961–1962 9 6 4 3 2 1 5
1963–1965 9 6 4 3 2 1 6
1966 9 6 4 3 2 1 5
1967 9 6 4 3 2 1 9
(5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)
1968 9 6 4 3 2 1 10
(5 from first 6, 5 from last 6)
1969 9 6 4 3 2 1 9
(5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)
1970 9 6 4 3 2 1 11
(6 from first 7, 5 from last 6)
1971 9 6 4 3 2 1 9
(5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)
1972 9 6 4 3 2 1 10
(5 from first 6, 5 from last 6)
1973–1974 9 6 4 3 2 1 13
(7 from first 8, 6 from last 7)
1975 9 6 4 3 2 1 12
(6 from first 7, 6 from last 7)
1976–1978 9 6 4 3 2 1 14
(7 from first 8, 7 from last 8 )
1979 9 6 4 3 2 1 8
(4 from first 7, 4 from last 8 )
1980 9 6 4 3 2 1 10
(5 from first 7, 5 from last 7)
1981–1984 9 6 4 3 2 1 All
1985–1990 9 6 4 3 2 1 11
1991–2002 10 6 4 3 2 1 All
2003–2008 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 All
2009–present 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 All
#94984
Not quite accurate re. 1988-1991:

Seasons 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th Fastest lap Best results counted
1950–1953 8 6 4 3 2 1 4
1954 8 6 4 3 2 1 5
1955–1957 8 6 4 3 2 1 5
1958 8 6 4 3 2 1 6
1959 8 6 4 3 2 1 5
1960 8 6 4 3 2 1 6
1961–1962 9 6 4 3 2 1 5
1963–1965 9 6 4 3 2 1 6
1966 9 6 4 3 2 1 5
1967 9 6 4 3 2 1 9
(5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)
1968 9 6 4 3 2 1 10
(5 from first 6, 5 from last 6)
1969 9 6 4 3 2 1 9
(5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)
1970 9 6 4 3 2 1 11
(6 from first 7, 5 from last 6)
1971 9 6 4 3 2 1 9
(5 from first 6, 4 from last 5)
1972 9 6 4 3 2 1 10
(5 from first 6, 5 from last 6)
1973–1974 9 6 4 3 2 1 13
(7 from first 8, 6 from last 7)
1975 9 6 4 3 2 1 12
(6 from first 7, 6 from last 7)
1976–1978 9 6 4 3 2 1 14
(7 from first 8, 7 from last 8 )
1979 9 6 4 3 2 1 8
(4 from first 7, 4 from last 8 )
1980 9 6 4 3 2 1 10
(5 from first 7, 5 from last 7)
1981–1984 9 6 4 3 2 1 All
1985–1990 9 6 4 3 2 1 11
1991–2002 10 6 4 3 2 1 All
2003–2008 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 All
2009–present 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1 All


Riteo, that makes sense actually. Even then it wasn't down to wins though it was combined points? Even so... my post makes some good points, I dunno if your in favour of the new rules or not DD, I certainly ain't.
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