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#94785
Formula One champion will be decided by race wins and not total points

By Associated Press

PARIS (AP) — Governing body FIA says that auto racing's Formula One championship will be decided by the number of race wins and not accumulated points.

The current points system will remain in effect to determine the driver's title in the case of a tie, with points also determining the order of the drivers who finish the season behind the overall champion.

The 10 F1 teams were looking to change the points system to a 12-9-7 scoring system for first through third place, from its current 10-9-8 allocation.

Under the new system, Ferrari's Felipe Massa would have won the 2008 championship instead of Lewis Hamilton of McLaren. The Brazilian driver won six grand prix races to Hamilton's five last year.

http://www.courant.com/sports/motorraci ... 9074.story

I think that this is a good move by the FIA. Anything that incentives drivers to go for victory get a thumbs up in my book.
#94786
what a bullpoo decision.

ill say it again the drivers WERE going for race wins last year, as they WERE every year! :rolleyes: for example Spa.. Lewis could have just sat back and took 2nd but no he fought it out for the win with Kimi. on the other hand Massa sat back did nothing and ends up getting the win by default! oh but in this system Massa would be champion.... :banghead:
#94788
what a bullpoo decision.

ill say it again the drivers WERE going for race wins last year, as they WERE every year! :rolleyes: for example Spa.. Lewis could have just sat back and took 2nd but no he fought it out for the win with Kimi. on the other hand Massa sat back did nothing and ends up getting the win by default! oh but in this system Massa would be champion.... :banghead:


First of all Lewis's actions in Spa are to be commended. But what about his actions in Brazil? Not once during the entire weekend did he push to win the race he only needed 5th and that is what he went for. I think that we can put down Lewis's pushing to win in Spa down to youthful exuberance and I don't think that we will be seeing it again after his experience in Fuji last year.

This change forces drivers to go for wins and not play it safe and score points.
#94791
and what of the other guys if they are not in a position to win then they might as well just pack up and go home. but then theres the constructors points there to keep things interesting. its funny how the constructor champion might not be the winningest constructor..... :rolleyes:

F1 just keeps shooting itself in the foot and not listening to the fans or the teams for that matter!!! :thumbdown:
#94793
Now that I think about it this change will only work if the 09 regulations work to its intended capacity and increases overtaking. Otherwise we will end up in a situation where Ferrari could have the title wrapped up with 6 or 7 races to go. In light of this new revalation and bud's comments my revised view is:

If 09 regs work: :thumbup:
If playing field is not relatively level: :thumbdown:
#94795
THATS **********
ARGG!!!!!!!!

Seriously, the FIA is run by a bunch of incompetent twats. This is the worst descision I have ever seen, full stop. I think just about every F1 fan was 100% against the idea, as where the F1 teams. The FIA and Bernie need out. This is actually sickening. What on earth convinced them to make such a brain-dead descision.

The FIA announced the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system will stay in place, but confirmed the world champion will be the driver who wins the most races in a season

"The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system. There is no provision to award medals for first, second or third place. The Constructors' Championship is unaffected.

Thats just stupid. They might as have left things the way they were. Through this system, it actually theoritcally means a driver could tie on race wins, but be demoted to 3rd or 4th.
e.g. Lewis has 6 wins and 90 points, Massa has 6 wins and 75, Kubica has 2 race wins but 80 points. Meaning Massa almost got the title but ends up 3rd. Thats just silly.


Something honestly needs done. The FOTA actually did a proper survey and listened to what the fans wanted. Their system of 12 9 7 was good. The FIA did a pole in their site, ignored it, and made an even worse system. :banghead:
#94798
Source

http://www.itv.com/f1

The 2009 world championship will be won by the driver who scores the most wins after the FIA unexpectedly decided to adopt Bernie Ecclestone’s inspired scheme rather than the tweak to the existing points system favoured by the teams.

Following a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council on Tuesday, Formula 1’s governing body announced the system for deciding the world title would be changed with immediate effect – but that it had rejected the Formula One Teams’ Association's suggestion for how to give greater rewards to race winners.

Instead the world champion will be the driver who scores the most victories during the season, with any tie between two or more drivers to be decided by the existing 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 points system.

Should the new system have been in place last year, then Felipe Massa and not Lewis Hamilton would have won the title due to the Brazilian having scored one more win.

All other positions in the standings will continue to be determined by the current points arrangement, as will the constructors' championship.

“The WMSC accepted the proposal from Formula One Management to award the drivers’ championship to the driver who has won the most races during the season,” an FIA statement read.

“If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the current 10, 8, 6 etc. system.

“The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system.

“There is no provision to award medals for first, second or third place.

“The Constructors’ Championship is unaffected.

"The WMSC rejected the alternative proposal from the Formula One Teams’ Association to change the points awarded to drivers finishing in first, second and third place to 12, 9 and 7 points respectively."

FOTA announced earlier this month, as part of its blueprint for the future of the sport, that it wanted to see the points gap between the winner and second place increased by two to three points, with the current scoring system changed to 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1.

That idea, which the body said was devised following feedback from fans, had been expected to be pushed through on Tuesday, after Ecclestone’s earlier medal suggestion had received a lukewarm reaction.

However, while 'medals' will not be introduced as such the theory behind Ecclestone's proposal – that the driver with the most golds/wins should become world champion – has been adopted.

Ecclestone first floated a change to the points system after the end of last season, after Lewis Hamilton only had to race to a fifth place in Brazil to claim the title.

The medals idea had been discussed at the previous WMSC meeting in December, but the FIA put the plan on ice saying the proposals needed to be put to fans first.

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Posted it before i did lol, this seems to be better than the points system i believe, as it would show that if u came second all the time and won by that? that wouldn't be fair when there is a more talented driver that is winning by the amount of races won. Then by theory Lewis would not have been crowned?
lolol , good system or not?

-VB
#94802
Also, not wishing to get into a whole team vs. team spiel as I don't follow any particular team, this system means any steward decisions will be held up to even more scrutiny. Now, whether the decision is fair or not is not the issue. The lack of transparency pisses many 'hardcore' F1 fans off enough. If one or two controversial decisions, in people's perception, happen and effect the outcome of the championship then the casual fan is likely to take their money elsewhere.

It seems neither one thing nor the other. Not out and out medals and points remain. Still, it could very well be a roaring success as we're all just dealing in hypotheticals until season's end.
#94803
Totally agree........i think there finding ways to make it more competitive, the more competitive and hardcore itis? the more the drviers will want it?
hense more action and overtking? also if you ask any non f1 fan they only watch f1 through the accidents? Anger and ambition cause people to think with anger
tht would or could cause some accidents?

-VB
#94807
For anyone who says, finishing 2nd all the time and winning the WDC is a bad thing. I ask how many of you supported Kubica last year. Did he not deserve the chance to fight for the championship. His performance last year was outstanding, and that fact that he was in with a shout till just about the last race was an astouding achievement that highlighted the guys talent. However under this system, it all would've meant nothing.

I really hope the FOTA do something about all of this. Does everyone seriously think that drivers don't want to win. Just ask Kimi. The guy said he doesn't care about anything but wins, but have we really seen him drive differently. Did Massa not prove he's going all out for wins after diving around Hamiliton in Hungary. Did Lewis not prove the same thing in Spa fighting with Kimi. Did Alonso not drive his heart out in Fuji. The drivers already push for wins.

If anything, we should change the quali format. Instead have everyone running on fumes going for pole, and then in the race allow the guys in 2nd and 3rd to pick aggressive stratigies to be able take the lead. That in my opinion is how we'll make more battles for the lead.
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