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[Stephen]

Oh come on DD, Ferrari have got away with murder in the past. The thing that really sunk Dennis though was his own pride, boasting about race controlling was always going to wind the FIA up.

[darwin dali]

The same is true for Ferrari - they did it in a blunt fashion and got punished. They learned their lesson because of the penalty. You can't compare this incident with the previous 'getting away with murder' because since then the rules have changed and got more specific. McLaren opted to bluntly violate a rule (if it turns out to be the case) and thus, would walk on thin ice with the FIA, who jealously guard their power with rules and sanctions for rule infractions.

[deMuRe]

Oh come on DD, Ferrari have got away with murder in the past. The thing that really sunk Dennis though was his own pride, boasting about race controlling was always going to wind the FIA up.

Every time Ferrari did something right in the past Ferrari got accused of cheating by guess who? Williams and McLaren...

[madbrad]

Example:
Taking your 10 second stop go penalty at the end of the last lap is not taking your penalty. The race was over by then. That it was overlooked simply bewilders me and underscores Ferrari's capitalization of the FIA's need for them to be in the sport. "If you turn a blind eye we won't leave." There were on the other hand times the stewards punished Ferrari, but in my observation they were times the championship needed a little evening out near the end of the season to boost viewership.

[bmwpower]

O.K I see some of you guys are missing the point. No one is claiming or suggesting that RD issued a team order, it came straight from his own mouth and that's why McLaren has a date with the FIA. You can argue all day long about what is fair and what is not and about Ferrari's tactics in the past, but it does not changed what happended in Monaco. LW was told to "hold station" behind Alonso at the start and the race and because of McLaren's dominance at Monaco, RD wanted to boost his ego and take full credit for the race. Well RD, get your pretty dress ready because you won a date with the FIA.

[darwin dali]

Well RD, get your pretty dress ready because you won a date with the FIA.

Personally, I'm all for tarting up a bit myself. But no pretty dress would make this creep more palatable to me

[johnbull]

The FIA is being silly again. If it had been a red car this would not have come up.

I'd have to agree with you there. I wonder if this 'investigation' came after other team principles complained?

More than likely. Now I wonder which one would complain.

[johnbull]

The same is true for Ferrari - they did it in a blunt fashion and got punished. They learned their lesson because of the penalty. You can't compare this incident with the previous 'getting away with murder' because since then the rules have changed and got more specific. McLaren opted to bluntly violate a rule (if it turns out to be the case) and thus, would walk on thin ice with the FIA, who jealously guard their power with rules and sanctions for rule infractions.

Where it suits them.
I no longer have any faith in the FIA, and judging by what I read here and everywhere else, nor have quite a few people involved in the sport.

[Stephen]

Ut oh, Bernies's spoken up, now McLaren are as good as guilty:

http://www.forumula1.com/2007/f1/f1-new ... unishment/

[Irv the Swerve]

Ut oh, Bernies's spoken up, now McLaren are as good as guilty:

http://www.forumula1.com/2007/f1/f1-new ... unishment/

"They could be excluded from the championship or they could have points deducted."

That's a tad bit harsh. Imagine if they would be excluded, might as well hand the title to Ferrari...

[deMuRe]

What's going on wit these guys again? I remember McLaren and Williams taking on Max Moseley and using the press to air all their dirty laundry about 5 or so years ago, but I thought we all kissed and made up and McLaren were friends of the FIA again...

Bernie always wanted a quick german, a quick blackman and a quick chinaman, I thought by giving F1 a quick black man they are opening up a whole new demographic for Bernie's TV figures and they would be in Bernie's good books again...

Even though I secretly have a love/hate relationship with McLaren and 90 percent of the time I'm slagging them off to amuse myself with Bud's reactions, I think this punishment would be too harsh and the FIA need to remember the leniency it gave Ferrari all those years that Schumacher said "For I am God and all must obey"...

[Evaneoun]

As far as I understood it they were told not to race each other as early as lap 10. If they were told that after the second pit stops it could be seen as being far more reasonable.

Having said that, did they bring LH in for his 2nd pit stop early, when he otherwise would have had enough fuel to overtake Alonso in the pits?

I don't understand it, if LH could have overtaken Alonso during a pit stop no-one would have questioned it and, if that was a possibility why not let LH go for the win, after all, he was leading the championship at the time.

And where does this leave betting? I gather loads of people placed bets on LH winning the race and if it turns out he was told not to race surely that means anyone who betted would have been conned.

Anyway, certainly looked like Hamilton was faster then Alonso and could have won if he'd had the chance.

[darwin dali]

You summed it up nicely, Eva

[Irv the Swerve]

This just in, the FIA will not take action against McLaren after all...

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39437

[darwin dali]

Well, Ferrari and the paddock will take careful note of this decision.