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[big ron]

But it still doesnt answer the issues.

* Glock was well ahead
* The track was drying and there was no more rain
* The end sector was not as wet
* Glock and Vettel were WELL AHEAD
* Hamilton was unable to catch Glock or Vettel
* Hamilton himself was suffering from a lack of grip as the car was not set up well on the intermediates
* We witnessed Hamilton struggling to catch either of them
* Glock was some 15 - 18 seconds ahead of Hamilton with 3 turns to go
* We clearly see Glock ease up and PULL WIDE

You cant lose 15 seconds in the last 30 seconds of the race without something going on. Glock didnt even defend his line.

Your facts have no basis of reality. As I said:

Have a look at this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcGX0KwQqs

At 1.33 you can see Glock struggling about 2 secs ahead of hammy, and almost caught by kubica. Kubica gets the inside line into turn 10 and pushes Glock onto the wet part of the track. At 1.44 you'll see Glock go wide at turn 10 with Vettel going past and Lewis right behind him. So, where's your conspiracy?

[scotty]

Once tyre temperature is lost on those dry tyres, that's it, even in only a small amount of rain. Look at the last lap in Spa (a very similar situation, maybe even a slightly drier track then too), Alonso made up his pit stop and a whole lot more time after he got inters and the others struggled on their dries. The onboard of that lap says it all, cause he drove around Kovalainen like he (Kov) was doing a qualifying in lap or had a puncture or something!

[big ron]

Its a good argument.

Quoting another idiot doesn't make your point right.

[csrracer]

Truth Tellar one simple question Have you ever driven a race car/ go cart, with slicks in the rain?

[csrracer]

This tread has the true conspiracy viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4786

[Rorschach]

Don't feed the troll.

[scotty]

Don't feed the troll.

Nah, it's too easy and fun to pick apart their crappy, insane arguments

[TruthTellerF1]

The counter argument seems to be:

* track temps / tyre pressures
* Glock struggles with traction
* it was too wet

None of this deals with the following:

(1) Hamilton gaining 15+ seconds on Glock in the last 30 seconds of the race
(2) The track is drying as their hasnt been rain for some time
(3) The track is obviously and relatively dry compared to the preceding laps
(4) Glock's split times show he is not suffering substantively from the conditions
(5) The conditions for DRY TYRES are improving not worsening
(6) There is no direct handling of the incident in the media by Glock, Toyota, McLaren or the stewards
(7) The incident is at least worthy of the questions being asked but it is noticeably lacking and not for the want of evidence.

It is understandable and reasonable when it is teaming down with rain, or where there are clear traction difficulties.. but was this evidenced?

Although I am not saying it is the case, on the assumption that an order was sent to allow Hamilton through, it can also be assumed that both drivers were told to ease off in the final stages.

[Denthúl]

The counter argument seems to be:

* track temps / tyre pressures
* Glock struggles with traction
* it was too wet

None of this deals with the following:

(1) Hamilton gaining 15+ seconds on Glock in the last 30 seconds of the race
(2) The track is drying as their hasnt been rain for some time
(3) The track is obviously and relatively dry compared to the preceding laps
(4) Glock's split times show he is not suffering substantively from the conditions
(5) The conditions for DRY TYRES are improving not worsening
(6) There is no direct handling of the incident in the media by Glock, Toyota, McLaren or the stewards
(7) The incident is at least worthy of the questions being asked but it is noticeably lacking and not for the want of evidence.

It is understandable and reasonable when it is teaming down with rain, or where there are clear traction difficulties.. but was this evidenced?

Although I am not saying it is the case, on the assumption that an order was sent to allow Hamilton through, it can also be assumed that both drivers were told to ease off in the final stages.

Look at it like this:

1) When Barrichello switched to extreme wets in Silverstone, he was lapping at over thirty seconds a lap quicker than people on intermediates. Obviously, with dry tyres not being designed to handle rain in the slightest, the difference could easily and realistically been more than fifteen seconds.

2) It was still raining at the time.

3) See above.

4) His times were fine on the preceeding laps, when the track wasn't as greasy. All the while, his tyres were losing temperature.

5) Not really, considering it was still raining.

6) It's not really an incident and Glock has already come out and explained what happened. Trulli was the only other driver still on dry tyres and his lap time was just as slow as Glock's.

7) Why? It seems perfectly reasonable that in some light rain a guy on dry tyres had to slow his car significantly in order to keep it on track and bring it home in the points. When Raikkonen pushed in the light rain at the end of Spa, he binned it and ended up trading paint with the wall.

[csrracer]

Truth Teller you can't seem to answer my questions but keep putting out insane
Why in your picture is Trulli sliding sideways if he had traction with dry tires on a dry track?
Have you ever driven a race car with slicks in the wet?
Did you happen to see any shots of the insuing downpour at the end of the race? (this proves your drying track theory to be more )
Is this AKR in disguise?

[scotty]

Maybe they're related to 'fact man'.

[lcplcombat]

You can see from the official timings page of the last lap at this link http://www.formula1.com/services/live_t ... iming.html that Glock was losing time on all 3 of the speed traps of the last lap. He was even faster than his team mate so you cant say he wasn't trying.

Massa 1:27.721 21.8 46.0 19.7
Alonso 1:26.108 22.0 45.0 18.9
Raikonnen 1:28.271 22.2 26.8 19.1
Vettel 1:25.984 21.8 45.1 19.0
Hamilton 1:26.126 21.6 45.2 19.3
Glock 1:44.731 24.8 54.7 25.0
Kovalainen 1:24.945 21.6 44.6 18.6
Trulli 1:44.800 26.1 55.7 22.8

[big ron]

Maybe they're related to 'fact man'.

Could well be fuct man. Similar levels of fantasy.

One thing to note in all of this, no matter what your opinion. Ferrari have, through Schui, come out and congratulated Hamilton. Also, luca di montezemolo usually runs to the FIA at the slightest whiff of fowl play, and yet they have not said anything. Ever considered that it might be because there's nothing to complain about???

[Denthúl]

Maybe they're related to 'fact man'.

Could well be fuct man. Similar levels of fantasy.

One thing to note in all of this, no matter what your opinion. Ferrari have, through Schui, come out and congratulated Hamilton. Also, luca di montezemolo usually runs to the FIA at the slightest whiff of fowl play, and yet they have not said anything. Ever considered that it might be because there's nothing to complain about???

di Montizemolo (along with Domenicali) have both openly congratulated Lewis on his championship. I think there are a lot of people really bitter about the fact that, this time round, their team just weren't quite able to pull it off. But that's racing. Neither of the teams I've supported in my time have won any championships whatsoever, so I'm sure I've got more to complain about.

[big ron]

I just noticed that and was just about to edit my post. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71993