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[big ron]

I'm familiar with tyre issues.

This doesn't resolve the problem. Glock was racing his heart out - he is an out and out racer. Hamilton could not catch either him, nor Vettel. Hamilton never did catch Vettel. Perhaps Glock wasn't in the loop, perhaps he wanted to make a point. But we need to know what happened.Tyres doesnt explain it, in fact it is a woefully inadequate explanation. Even the worst case scenario for tyres doesn't explain 15 seconds lost over the last 30 seconds of normal racing.

But the issue is not conspiracy theories. The issue is this. There was clearly what seemed to be an easing off (15 seconds over the course of 30 seconds) and what appeared to be Glock moving across to allow cars through in the last turn. He was NOT defending his line. Most regular followers of F1 will know that without a mechanical issue, or without deliberately easing off, there would have been no way for Hamilton to catch Glock.

We know Hamilton did not speed up - both Vettel and Hamilton passed Glock. So the question is, if Glock lost control of his car WHEN exactly was it? He did not spin, he did not aquaplane (from what we saw) and he did not lock up. So WHAT happened? The only evidence we see of anything is when after Vettel and Hamilton have passed, that Glock twiches on the uphill exit. Nothing more. In any event, this is after the fact.

So where and when did Glock lose the 15 seconds?

More importantly, as there is clearly a case to answer why has no action WHATSOEVER been taken? Why havent the questions been asked considering the stewards look into every manoevure that is even slightly questionable.

Have a look at this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcGX0KwQqs

At 1.33 you can see Glock struggling about 2 secs ahead of hammy, and almost caught by kubica. Kubica gets the inside line into turn 10 and pushes Glock onto the wet part of the track. At 1.44 you'll see Glock go wide at turn 10 with Vettel going past and Lewis right behind him. So, where's your conspiracy?

[TruthTellerF1]

Lets try again:

Glock is on dries, Hamilton is on wets.

Look at the track.

[big ron]

Lets try again:

Glock is on intermediates, Hamilton is on wets.

Look at the track.

WTF are you on about???? (Ahh, a daily mail reader, no wonder....)

Glock on intermediates??? Since when? And the dry part of the track you photo shows also has vettel and lewis already ahead.




ETA : - argue witha moron and they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...

[csrracer]

We see how wet it was.

The intermediates tyres were not suffering quite as we are led to believe. This weather and track conditions are genuinely no problem for intermediates as anyone who has followed F1 for a while knows.

In any event, Hamilton had his own traction problems as we saw from the on board camera. He was fighting the set up all the way through the last couple of laps. He could not catch Vettel or Glock despite being on intermediates (not dry tyres).

Do you even realize how you contradict yourself.. Glock was on dries not intermediates
Hamilton was fighting Traction problems on Intermediates, So how do you not understand how bad it would be for Glock on dries... How do you not understand this ?

Someone please remove this uninformed Moron>>>>>

[big ron]

Do you even realize how you contradict yourself.. Glock was on dries not intermediates
Hamilton was fighting Traction problems on Intermediates, So how do you not understand how bad it would be for Glock on dries... How do you not understand this ?

Someone please remove this uninformed Moron>>>>>

It becomes a pointless arguement when you realise he has absolutley no clue what he's talking about.

[csrracer]

We see how wet it was.

The intermediates tyres were not suffering quite as we are led to believe. This weather and track conditions are genuinely no problem for intermediates as anyone who has followed F1 for a while knows.

In any event, Hamilton had his own traction problems as we saw from the on board camera. He was fighting the set up all the way through the last couple of laps. He could not catch Vettel or Glock despite being on intermediates (not dry tyres).

Do you even realize how you contradict yourself.. Glock was on dries not intermediates
Hamilton was fighting Traction problems on Intermediates, So how do you not understand how bad it would be for Glock on dries... How do you not understand this ?

Someone please remove this uninformed Moron>>>>>

You posted a picture that proves the difference look at Trulli's car on the left with dries on. He's obviously having traction issues.

[TruthTellerF1]

The point is, the track is obviously not wet.

[big ron]

The point is, the track is obviously not wet.

Not in the photo you posted, but if it was a nice dry track like you're trying to make out, why did everyone bar the Toyotas come in for intermediates a couple of laps before? Did you even watch the race?

[csrracer]

The point is, the track is obviously not wet.

If the track is not wet please explain Trulli's opposite lock on the steering wheel, (car on the left)....
Remember Trulli is on dries.

[scotty]

Erm, that picture wasn't from the last lap of the race, Trulli wasn't with Glock and Hamilton on the track.... Hahahaha. Way to not prove your point at all.

[big ron]

Erm, that picture wasn't from the last lap of the race, Trulli wasn't with Glock and Hamilton on the track.... Hahahaha. Way to not prove your point at all.

You're right, isn't that coming around the Senna S where Trulli did that cool slide, just after hammy got him into turn 1?

[KyrosV]

This is really laughable!!

[TruthTellerF1]

Ok accepted - Daily Mail are a bunch of numpties.

They also have it saying "LAP 69/71: Kubica's causing havoc. He sandwiches Hamilton and Vettel and holds up the German. But Baby Schumi comes back to have a go at Hamilton. He forces him wide and he's got him. The heavens open. Can Glock handle the rain on the intermediates?"

Its a picture from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... lagos.html where they have it wrong. Having looked at the video, Glock is wide and Hamilton and Vettel are up the inside. Let me find a better one.

Putting the Daily Mail farce to oneside; obviously in a hurry to cover things up ...

But it still doesnt answer the issues.

* Glock was well ahead
* The track was drying and there was no more rain
* The end sector was not as wet
* Glock and Vettel were WELL AHEAD
* Hamilton was unable to catch Glock or Vettel
* Hamilton himself was suffering from a lack of grip as the car was not set up well on the intermediates
* We witnessed Hamilton struggling to catch either of them
* Glock was some 15 - 18 seconds ahead of Hamilton with 3 turns to go
* We clearly see Glock ease up and PULL WIDE

You cant lose 15 seconds in the last 30 seconds of the race without something going on. Glock didnt even defend his line.

[csrracer]

Truth Teller
If you are going to post a picture to prove your point, don't show us that the other car next to them (on Dries), is at full opposite lock. it makes you look like a total idiot with your "dry" theory.

[TruthTellerF1]

To quote someone else's comments:

"The lap time argument doesn't explain it since you are looking at lap 71. Vettel passes Lewis on lap 69. Glock does 1:18.6 on this lap. At the time Vettel passes, one may think that Glock will slow a little but no one would expect Glock to slow as much. Put a different way, would you gamble your WDC on the hope that Glock would lose as much time in the last 2 laps when one doesnt know to what extent the rain will fall harder or wouyld you fight for position and try and stop Vettel passing? At the time Vettel passes, Lewis would be thinking if this guy gets past the entire season is lost. Lewis being a racer would fight as hard as possible to ensure that Vettel does not get past or if he does to retake him in the next few corners. Lewis does not do this. Why not? Lewis knew it was not necessary and on lap 69/70 that could not be because with any certainty he could predict that Glock would lose 18 secs on the last 2/3rd of the final lap.

Even on lap 70, Glock was still posting 1:29. Even at this time, Lewis would be thinking if I do not pass Vettel everything is lost. Again he doesnt really try to get past Vettel. It is only on the last 1/2 of the final lap that with GPS McClaren could see that there was a good chance that Lewis would take Glock.

I agree that Trulli's times are similar. However, there can be many reasons for this. First, Trulli was safe in 8th position and could slow and conserve his position whereas Glock was fighting (or should have been) for the points. Second, Trulli was 2/3 rds of a lap behind Glock and therefore more affetcted by the heavier rain and yet Trulli still posts a better sector 3 time. Third, both Toyota slowed to mask what was going on.

The Vettel pass does not make sense unless at the time of that pass, Lewis/Mclaren knew that Glock wouild give back position. But how could they know that on lap 69???

I dont doubt for one moment that had Alonso be leading and it was necessary for Massa to win, FA would have slowed/run wide and let Massa past. However, that doesn't justify what went on. I wanted Lewis to win but not like this. This is just the sort of incedent that all Lewis fans have been complaining of when the event has not gone in Lwewis' favour. To me, this incident undermines the entire season.."

Its a good argument.