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[racechick]

It is interesting to note that Glock has not spoken about what happened on the last turn, and in fact, nor has anyone else for that matter... and after all... it was all about that turn.

Yes he has. he was interviewed in the highlights programme last night. He said he was racing his own race for position but all his grip had gone and he was skating.
End of story

[KyrosV]

Is that how we do it?

We say its history now and there are no repurcussions?

That's certainly not how we do things... we dont see a potential injustice and just move on. We certainly don't allow things to go univestigated and the wrong doers (if there are any) going unpunished.

Funnily enough, it is often the people who perpetrate the wrong, or their supporters (knowing of that wrongdoing or not wanting to know of it) who say "lets move on, its history".

No, its not how we do things.

It happened last year with BMW and williams in the last race remember?

[csrracer]

A Drying track? you must not have seen any shots of the track outside during the press interviews, or noticed the High amount of Television lights used on the podium, due to how dark it was from the rain storm....

[big ron]

A Drying track? you must not have seen any shots of the track outside during the press interviews, or noticed the High amount of Television lights used on the podium, due to how dark it was from the rain storm....

Some people see only what they want to see.

[zurich_allan]

TruthtellerF1,

You wanted an answer to your question, so here it is. I can kind of understand where you're coming from and you've clearly thought it through; but equally clear is that you don't know the full technical ins and outs of F1 tyres.

Dry Tyres in F1 have an optimum temperature, and in order to maintain that temperature and retain grip, the cars have to maintain a certain average speed on both the straight and turn-ins to corners. Once the tyre temparature goes, the tyre pressure follows, and the grip then worsens yet further. There is NO way around this or to heat the tyres again except for going faster, and even then it usually takes approximately a km flat out to get the tyres fully up to racing temperature. Without the ability to do that, the grip gets worse and worse, first progressively and then dramatically.

You've displayed yourself Glock's times, and they are a straightforward indication of this. with two laps to go, he couldn't maintain his speed as the track was wet. Even if it was drying, his tyres by the last lap were cool and low on pressure, unless the track was bone dry he could pick the pace up and so he lost more grip and so on...

The truth is that he demonstrated amazing skill in even keeping it on the road.

those are facts by the way, not rumours in the same way the 'did he let Hamilton through' conspiracy mongers have been spouting out.
so that is the answer to your question.

[csrracer]

No one pits with a lap to go, not even two laps.

As it turns out, Glock's decision between him and Toyota control was spot on. It was a shower - not prolonged. We know from the start of the race that different teams had different climate predictions. Just as we know Schumacher would not only race on slicks but could more often then not outrace people on intermediates. The things Schumacher could do in the rain was pure magic.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Ferrari fan nor a Schuey fan. But we have to be honest and call it as we see it - without prejudice and without bias.

Look at Glock's times. He was clearly racing his socks off in the wet / damp conditions:

Lap 66 1:17.992
Lap 67 1:18.897
Lap 68 1:18.816
Lap 69 1:18.688
Lap 70 1:28.041
Lap 71 1:44.731

We know some people are exceptionally good in the rain. Hamilton did not have a hope in hell of catching glock with 30 seconds to go. So without a mechanical failure, and without Glock spinning off, how did Glock lose 15 seconds with 30 seconds to go? Review the tape, Glock pulls over, Vettel and Hamilton come through, then he has a slight twitch on acceleration up the hill while exiting the turn, but thats it... no more than that.

The crowd couldn't believe it; the commentators couldn't believe it; the audience at home couldn't believe it; Brundel couldn't believe it; Damon Hill couldn't believe it. It is simply unbelievable.

This is not the place for conspiracy theories but we know that the stewards investigate far less than this. Where is the scrutiny, where is the media / public debate? It doesnt mean we dont love Hamilton, McLaren or our country but we do things fairly here and there should at least be the perception of fairness.

It is interesting to note that Glock has not spoken about what happened on the last turn, and in fact, nor has anyone else for that matter... and after all... it was all about that turn.

Losing 15 seconds over the last 30 seconds on a drying track? Think again people.

If you have never driven a race car in the wet on slick tires then you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. When you can't control your steering your braking or your acceleration anymore the only thing to do is get the hell out of everyone's way. Glock knew this he's a professional race car driver, you don't know this you are an uninformed spectator.

[KyrosV]

try racing a go-Kart in the rain with slicks I tried and crashed and my back was brused all the way down. ouch. Basically its slippy

[csrracer]

I was caught out in a Florida down pour in an SCCA Improved Touring race on the wrong tires, and it goes from "this isn't to Bad" to "oh $hit the car has a mind of it's own" in a matter of a couple of turns. The track becomes ice, and those bone heads who have never done this just don't get it. They obviously didn't see the end of the Spa race when Heidfeld came in for wets and when everyone else stayed on dries, the speed differential was I think 40 seconds a lap. Put that into distance and it's gaining more than 1/3 of the track distance per lap.

[TruthTellerF1]

I'm familiar with tyre issues.

This doesn't resolve the problem. Glock was racing his heart out - he is an out and out racer. Hamilton could not catch either him, nor Vettel. Hamilton never did catch Vettel. Perhaps Glock wasn't in the loop, perhaps he wanted to make a point. But we need to know what happened.Tyres doesnt explain it, in fact it is a woefully inadequate explanation. Even the worst case scenario for tyres doesn't explain 15 seconds lost over the last 30 seconds of normal racing.

But the issue is not conspiracy theories. The issue is this. There was clearly what seemed to be an easing off (15 seconds over the course of 30 seconds) and what appeared to be Glock moving across to allow cars through in the last turn. He was NOT defending his line. Most regular followers of F1 will know that without a mechanical issue, or without deliberately easing off, there would have been no way for Hamilton to catch Glock.

We know Hamilton did not speed up - both Vettel and Hamilton passed Glock. So the question is, if Glock lost control of his car WHEN exactly was it? He did not spin, he did not aquaplane (from what we saw) and he did not lock up. So WHAT happened? The only evidence we see of anything is when after Vettel and Hamilton have passed, that Glock twiches on the uphill exit. Nothing more. In any event, this is after the fact.

So where and when did Glock lose the 15 seconds?

More importantly, as there is clearly a case to answer why has no action WHATSOEVER been taken? Why havent the questions been asked considering the stewards look into every manoevure that is even slightly questionable.

[FerrariFan63]

This "TruthTellerF1" person only registered for this forum today. I wonder who he/she/it really is.

[KyrosV]

Why do you call yourself the Truth Teller when you have no actuall proof to back yourself up on?? you have some points but there a little on the extream side

[FerrariFan63]

Why do you call yourself the Truth Teller when you have no actuall proof to back yourself up on?? you have some points but there a little on the extream side

I suspect that there is a motive to all this.

[KyrosV]

Why do you call yourself the Truth Teller when you have no actuall proof to back yourself up on?? you have some points but there a little on the extream side

I suspect that there is a motive to all this.

another Toyota Hater? Damn those Toyota guys

[csrracer]

I'm familiar with tyre issues.

This doesn't resolve the problem. Glock was racing his heart out - he is an out and out racer. Hamilton could not catch either him, nor Vettel. Hamilton never did catch Vettel. Perhaps Glock wasn't in the loop, perhaps he wanted to make a point. But we need to know what happened.Tyres doesnt explain it, in fact it is a woefully inadequate explanation. Even the worst case scenario for tyres doesn't explain 15 seconds lost over the last 30 seconds of normal racing.

But the issue is not conspiracy theories. The issue is this. There was clearly what seemed to be an easing off (15 seconds over the course of 30 seconds) and what appeared to be Glock moving across to allow cars through in the last turn. He was NOT defending his line. Most regular followers of F1 will know that without a mechanical issue, or without deliberately easing off, there would have been no way for Hamilton to catch Glock.

We know Hamilton did not speed up - both Vettel and Hamilton passed Glock. So the question is, if Glock lost control of his car WHEN exactly was it? He did not spin, he did not aquaplane (from what we saw) and he did not lock up. So WHAT happened? The only evidence we see of anything is when after Vettel and Hamilton have passed, that Glock twiches on the uphill exit. Nothing more. In any event, this is after the fact.

So where and when did Glock lose the 15 seconds?

More importantly, as there is clearly a case to answer why has no action WHATSOEVER been taken? Why havent the questions been asked considering the stewards look into every manoevure that is even slightly questionable.

You are truly a moron, Watch Heidfeld on rain tires against everyone else on dries at Spa. Nobody took any action because no one in the sport is as STUPID as some of the posters on this site....

[TruthTellerF1]

We see how wet it was.

The intermediates tyres were not suffering quite as we are led to believe. This weather and track conditions are genuinely no problem for intermediates as anyone who has followed F1 for a while knows.

In any event, Hamilton had his own traction problems as we saw from the on board camera. He was fighting the set up all the way through the last couple of laps. He could not catch Vettel or Glock despite being on intermediates (not dry tyres).