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[Rivelution]

Who's Gloke? You mean Glock?

[TruthTellerF1]

Martin Brundell said on last lap with half a lap to go that GLOCK was some 15 seconds ahead and he could essentially tip-toe round and still stay ahead of Hamilton.

There was no more rain and the track was drying. The last 3 turns were NOT very wet. Glock's splits confirmed he was NOT suffering in the last lap in fact he was staying well ahead of Vettel and Hamilton.

So what happened in the last 20 seconds to allow both Vettel and Hamilton to overtake him. 15 seconds in the last sector is both unbelievable and virtually impossible without lifting off or a mechanical failure.

The fact that this debate is COMPLETELY missing from the coverage tells us something.

Is the fix in? Record it, replay it, do the research yourself.

[onelapdown]

Both Glock and Trulli were on the same tyres in the same car on the last lap, and their lap times were within a second of each other. How can you explain that except to say that the conditions worsened? How could two cars who were not within sight of each other do nearly identically times except through the track conditions?

I thought when the rain shower started that there wasn't actually that much to be gained from pitting and so it proved - those who stayed out gained about 2 seconds in reality, so Glock lost almost as much time on slippery tyres as everyone else lost by stopping for intermediate tyres. It's a rather exciting quirk that it happened to give Hamilton the championship at the last corner, but that's all.

[woody2goody]

A car with dry tyres on a slippery track can lose 30 seconds in the same way that Barrichello at Silverstone was gaining 30 seconds on the extreme wet tyre.

Ps for any conspiracy theorists, why would Jarno Trulli (and Glock for that matter) want to lose points and prize money by slowing down deliberately?

[Master Asia]

I'd like to congratulate both Hamilton and Massa on the last race, especially to Lewis but what happened in the last seconds of the last lap of the last corner of the last race of the season!? I hope it wasn't a fixed lap or any bribery involed...As i'm a huge LH fan. Thanks! Just so speechless right now. Although you can't really say Hamilton didn't deserve to win since he worked hard the whole season despite the hardships at the Chinese GP. This goes for Massa as well. Just curious WTF?

[Rorschach]

FFS! If Toyota or Glock, for some unfathomable reason, wanted Hamilton to win so badly; then why didn't they pit like everybody and put on intermediates. The only reason we're having this conversation is because Glock gambled and stayed out on dry tyres to pick up some points, however many he could get - and it worked. Well done to Toyota (It's not only Ferrari and McLaren trying to win points out there, sorry to burst some people's one-eyed bubble). Had he and Trulli (who also slowed down to help Hamilton win the title hugef***offrolleyes smiley)pitted , he'd have been behind Hamilton and Vettel anyway.

And that's an end of it.

[kerc]

I have the race recorded on DVR, so I went back and checked out that last curve. Glock went wide, Vettel and Hammy dived in, and after they go by you can briefly see Glock zig-zagging briefly, as if having traction problems. I'm sure I saw that...

[Rorschach]

You did see that. As he put the power down his back ending was twitching all over the shop. A bit like mine was - but for different reasons.

[prozac26]

FFS! If Toyota or Glock, for some unfathomable reason, wanted Hamilton to win so badly; then why didn't they pit like everybody and put on intermediates. The only reason we're having this conversation is because Glock gambled and stayed out on dry tyres to pick up some points, however many he could get - and it worked. Well done to Toyota (It's not only Ferrari and McLaren trying to win points out there, sorry to burst some people's one-eyed bubble). Had he and Trulli (who also slowed down to help Hamilton win the title hugef***offrolleyes smiley)pitted , he'd have been behind Hamilton and Vettel anyway.

And that's an end of it.

I agree.

I don't see why people are making a big deal out of it. You can't prove that somehow Toyota and Glock somehow "let" Hamilton by.

I don't see the point why people argue about this.

[Rorschach]

Bitter small people with very empty lives is my guess.

[Hanwombat]

Did any of the detractors notice that team-mates Glock and Trulli posted almost exactly the same time on the final lap? (1m 40 ish) Indicating that they were BOTH struggling with grip? Did McLaren ask Toyota to slow BOTH of their drivers down on the final lap, even though Trulli was in 8th, just incase?

Just a thought!

Congrats to Massa and Lewis, and Ferrari and Mclaren, and also Vettel for showing his class, that boys gonna be a champion you can just see it.

[f1maniac95]

The Toyotas had no grip because they were still on dry tires in the rain. They had a gamble and it almost worked had the weather not got worse.