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AKR wrote:stonemonkey wrote:The Inca are not extinct. Mexicans are mainly of Inca origin rather than European. Or should I say Mestizo which is a mixture of European and Indigenous blood. But they look more Inca than European in appearance etc than European.AKR wrote:Tell that to the Incas.
Chris it is a know fact that the British were the only nation to ever successfully extict another.
neil wrote:FFS sake grow up F1 supporters are not racists. A few nutjobs does not make it so. Lewis Hamilton is disliked for many reasons and race would be in there, but a very low percentage and those idiots are not wanted in the sport full stop.He posts here now? Who is it? Someone I need to be carefull of? Anyway you are right. F1 supporters are not racists and it does not belong in this sport either.
I banned a clown from from my site for inciting this crap, btw he posts here now.
kerc wrote:I never said that all conquering nations were not ruthless. You misunderstand me. I said the British were the only ones to ever succeed in wiping out an entire race as the Inca "blooded" people still exist. Sorry I wrote Mexican instead of Columbian. Ooops we all make mistakes but if you assume I know nothing, then clearly you know nothing as I know plenty.AKR wrote:stonemonkey wrote:The Inca are not extinct. Mexicans are mainly of Inca origin rather than European. Or should I say Mestizo which is a mixture of European and Indigenous blood. But they look more Inca than European in appearance etc than European.AKR wrote:Tell that to the Incas.
Chris it is a know fact that the British were the only nation to ever successfully extict another.
You know nothing about Pre-Colombine civilizations in the New World. Read up some, then come back.
And on the facts about colonizations, all the conquering nations were ruthless and cruel with the conquered many times, using Gog, the Queen, the King, or just freaking gold as the reason why.
onelapdown wrote: Less than thirty miles from where I'm typing this they blew up a pub and killed a whole bunch of people who were doing nothing more sinister than enjoying a night out.That is terrible. But what about the innocent Irish that have been killed in retaliation to the IRA by British Police and soldiers? Does that not count as bad? Anyway both sides have their dark moments. My point the British are not all as innocent as a lot make out to be. Back to the topic Spain isn't racist. A minority few, probably kids as well, who make a stupid website cannot account for a whole nation or nationality. Also http://www.lewishamiltonsucks.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I have seen racists remarks dropped there. Not by it's owners but by others. No one cares. Why? Is it because it is an English website? Well I think that is reason for concern. Those Engishmen who don't like Lewis Hamilton when it is their countryman racing for the glory of Britain, must have one reason they really don't like him. I doubt they are hardcore Ferrari tifosi as their site doesn't mention them being Ferrari Fans. I would say they are white English Supremist who don't like African Englishmen. (Sorry of that is the wrong term but not sure if using the word Black is politically correct). Now this is worse than any stupid Spanish anti-Hamilton website. But because it isn't Spanish no one cares. Interesting isn't?
Anyway, bygones.
AKR wrote:Yes, that does count as bad. In the soldiers' defence though, if you had stones, bricks, molotov cocktails and the odd bullet flying in your direction, and a loaded gun in your hand, what do you think you would have done? Honestly? Not an excuse, but perhaps an explanation.onelapdown wrote: Less than thirty miles from where I'm typing this they blew up a pub and killed a whole bunch of people who were doing nothing more sinister than enjoying a night out.That is terrible. But what about the innocent Irish that have been killed in retaliation to the IRA by British Police and soldiers? Does that not count as bad? Anyway both sides have their dark moments. My point the British are not all as innocent as a lot make out to be. Back to the topic Spain isn't racist. A minority few, probably kids as well, who make a stupid website cannot account for a whole nation or nationality. Also http://www.lewishamiltonsucks.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I have seen racists remarks dropped there. Not by it's owners but by others. No one cares. Why? Is it because it is an English website? Well I think that is reason for concern. Those Engishmen who don't like Lewis Hamilton when it is their countryman racing for the glory of Britain, must have one reason they really don't like him. I doubt they are hardcore Ferrari tifosi as their site doesn't mention them being Ferrari Fans. I would say they are white English Supremist who don't like African Englishmen. (Sorry of that is the wrong term but not sure if using the word Black is politically correct). Now this is worse than any stupid Spanish anti-Hamilton website. But because it isn't Spanish no one cares. Interesting isn't?
Anyway, bygones.
McLaren Fan wrote:Likewise, the Portuguese and Spanish Explorations were not all sweetness and light either.I never said or implied that. In fact I mentioned forced work conditions (like on mines).
AKR wrote:Actualy that site is American.onelapdown wrote: Less than thirty miles from where I'm typing this they blew up a pub and killed a whole bunch of people who were doing nothing more sinister than enjoying a night out.That is terrible. But what about the innocent Irish that have been killed in retaliation to the IRA by British Police and soldiers? Does that not count as bad? Anyway both sides have their dark moments. My point the British are not all as innocent as a lot make out to be. Back to the topic Spain isn't racist. A minority few, probably kids as well, who make a stupid website cannot account for a whole nation or nationality. Also http://www.lewishamiltonsucks.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I have seen racists remarks dropped there. Not by it's owners but by others. No one cares. Why? Is it because it is an English website? Well I think that is reason for concern. Those Engishmen who don't like Lewis Hamilton when it is their countryman racing for the glory of Britain, must have one reason they really don't like him. I doubt they are hardcore Ferrari tifosi as their site doesn't mention them being Ferrari Fans. I would say they are white English Supremist who don't like African Englishmen. (Sorry of that is the wrong term but not sure if using the word Black is politically correct). Now this is worse than any stupid Spanish anti-Hamilton website. But because it isn't Spanish no one cares. Interesting isn't?
Anyway, bygones.
Jose Lopez wrote:Why are you using examples form the past and labeling them as if its the attitude of Brits today? Also why are you going on about football hooligans as if we think what there doing is right.McLaren Fan wrote:Likewise, the Portuguese and Spanish Explorations were not all sweetness and light either.I never said or implied that. In fact I mentioned forced work conditions (like on mines).
I think AKR's example of the extinction of Tasmanian aborigines shows that the British conquest has a strong sense of racism which the Spanish and Portuguese did not have.
It was not me that Spain's history on the table as "proof" of our presumed racism.
As to football, which was was started this crap about racism is Spain together with F1, the only reason there are no people shouting racist remarks in British stadiums is that you'll find lots of spectators of African descent, so it would take courage to did it. Black spectators on a Spanish stadium are hard to come by, which allows the occasional racist to shout their remarks unharmed.
In fact, you'll find little racism in Spain towards black people. You'll find a lot more towards moors (mostly Moroccans).
And and your football hooligans keep being a disgrace when they go to Europe for the European cups. That attitude to me show a deep underlying feeling of superiority which is a close relative of racism.
Longbow wrote:Actualy that site is American.Now that explains a lot. I'm guessing they won't be voting Democrat.
AKR wrote:The Inca are not extinct. Mexicans are mainly of Inca origin rather than European. Or should I say Mestizo which is a mixture of European and Indigenous blood. But they look more Inca than European in appearance etc than European.Inca civilisation was crushed without pity by the Spanish. True, some of their cultures lived on and now manifesto themselves in some ethnic groups in South America, but that is hardly equivalent to what was once a united, thriving culture. The Spanish were absolutely no different to the British, or anybody else for that matter.
AKR wrote:Of course what Jose is false. All conquering nations had there downs. But I think Britain were the worst. (I have nothing against Brits but the comment I made is based on history I guess). You are Irish Chris and yet you defend the very country that even to this days has had hatred for the Irish. I don't need to go to detail as you know better than me the story with the IRA etc. And then the British always lie and make out that the IRA are the bad guys when infact it is usually the other way around. But that isn't anything new. In Australia in the 19th centrury Ned Kelly was pinned a bad guy but in reality he was a good guy. He was of Irish background and the law people (The police) always picked on his family and people. His problem was that he took matters into his own hands. Ah the British.................. At least on a more positive note, countries that were formed by the British have better governments than those by the Latin countries. Take Australia, New Zeland, The USA and Canada. All better to live in than countries like Brazil (Protuguese), Argentina (Spanish and Italian), Mexico (Spanish) etc etc etc.You are just beginning to backtrack, Kiki. The only reason I can think of that would support your argument about the British being the worst of all the imperial powers was because their Empire was the biggest, and thus more people were oppressed. In terms of their attitudes, I repeat, Britain was no different that anybody else.
AKR wrote:That is terrible. But what about the innocent Irish that have been killed in retaliation to the IRA by British Police and soldiers? Does that not count as bad? Anyway both sides have their dark moments. My point the British are not all as innocent as a lot make out to be. Back to the topic Spain isn't racist. A minority few, probably kids as well, who make a stupid website cannot account for a whole nation or nationality.What the hell are you talking about? When their IRA started their terrorist campaign, the police and army had to be mobilised to protect people and their property. There were some innocent casualties of the troubles, yes, but the police and army were fighting a war in Northern Ireland, and nor were there as many as you suggest. Many of these people killed were out rioting and shooting against the police and army etc. and were killed accidentally with plastic bullets. To be honest, I've not got too much sympathy for them. If they weren't out causing disorder, destruction and death, they would never have been hurt.


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