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[Denthúl]

I doubt Kimi will attempt anything silly, its not in the Finnish psyche to purposely screw someone out or cheat someone.
Heikki is more likely to ram Massa off the road ( not likely)

Massa would have to be an idiot to try anything - 1 because he risks his own car being damaged and 2- he risks a drive through penalty or a stop/go penalty

But Alonso.... I really think he may attempt something if he gets half a chance. I hope him and Lewis are not on the 2nd row together.
I think Lewis said last year he purposely slowed down in Brazil to tempt him into that outrageous overtake move which took him off the track

Nothing wrong with pressuring someone in to making a move that they wouldn't make under no pressure. I wish more drivers could do it (in a safe way, of course - no brake-testing).

[McLaren Fan]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

[KyrosV]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

Tottaly biased view

[AKR]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

You talk more shiit than found in a sewage farm. Ferrari without a doubt deserves the constructors title this year. I am not even going to bother arguing that biased comment of yours. Regarding the drivers title, either Massa or Lewis Hamilton *Cough* *Cough* are worthy of it. Remember Massa would of easily won in Hungary and Singapore so even if you give the points back to Lewis Hamilton for Belgium (Which I don't believe he deserves anyway) the title race for the drivers championship would still be close. Regarding the constructors. It isn't Ferrari's fault Heikki is a dud so either have McLaren dump him for someone else, or get used to Ferrari winning the constructors title again.

[Gaz]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

You talk more shiit than found in a sewage farm. Ferrari without a doubt deserves the constructors title this year. I am not even going to bother arguing that biased comment of yours. Regarding the drivers title, either Massa or Lewis Hamilton *Cough* *Cough* are worthy of it. Remember Massa would of easily won in Hungary and Singapore so even if you give the points back to Lewis Hamilton for Belgium (Which I don't believe he deserves anyway) the title race for the drivers championship would still be close. Regarding the constructors. It isn't Ferrari's fault Heikki is a dud so either have McLaren dump him for someone else, or get used to Ferrari winning the constructors title again.

Hey Hey Hey thats abit harsh.

Constructors i reluctantly agree beaucse Hekki has done worse than Kimi but it is very close However you can't compare Engine Failure and Pit-Crew mistakes to having your win taken from you becaue of the FIA.

[Reckless Rat]

What if, what if, what if. It's all conjecture and pointless hot air. Whoever it is that wins the Driver's championship or the Constructors will the the one who has amassed the most points, however they may have been awarded. Why don't you all just shut up & wait until after Brazil.

[Gaz]

What if, what if, what if. It's all conjecture and pointless hot air. Whoever it is that wins the Driver's championship or the Constructors will the the one who has amassed the most points, however they may have been awarded. Why don't you all just shut up & wait until after Brazil.

I would agreed with you on that apart from the fact France, Valancia, and Spa Happened

[Reckless Rat]

Exactly. You can't turn the clock back. Decisions have been made, whether you agree or not. Move on.

[MAD MAX]

Exactly. You can't turn the clock back. Decisions have been made, whether you agree or not. Move on.

Ed Zachary, nice avatar Reckless, is that Force India's car for next season

[Gaz]

Exactly. You can't turn the clock back. Decisions have been made, whether you agree or not. Move on.

True, don't mean i should accept it though.

[Reckless Rat]

Ed Zachary, nice avatar Reckless, is that Force India's car for next season

Not the 2009 Force India, but it did (in its day) provide the basis for Colin Chapman to start LOTUS

[McLaren Fan]

You talk more shiit than found in a sewage farm. Ferrari without a doubt deserves the constructors title this year. I am not even going to bother arguing that biased comment of yours. Regarding the drivers title, either Massa or Lewis Hamilton *Cough* *Cough* are worthy of it. Remember Massa would of easily won in Hungary and Singapore so even if you give the points back to Lewis Hamilton for Belgium (Which I don't believe he deserves anyway) the title race for the drivers championship would still be close. Regarding the constructors. It isn't Ferrari's fault Heikki is a dud so either have McLaren dump him for someone else, or get used to Ferrari winning the constructors title again.

As I said before, AKR, technical failures, although unfortunate for a driver, are a part of Formula One. There are other things beyond the control of the driver. Also, more or less, the bad luck generally balance out over the season. Take the 1986 title. All of Mansell's fans say he was unlucky, but when you look at it objectively, Prost had his own fair share of bad luck throughout the season. FIA and possibly Ecclestone's intervention in the title battles is simply not a legitimate part of Formula One. When you factor in all of the political bullpoo, Hamilton would already be world champion. The constructors' title would still be ongoing, with McLaren favourites to win it. As it things are, Ferrari have a 99% of winning this season's official constructors' title. Enjoy what will be another hollow Ferrari victory.

[Denthúl]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

That's a funny idea of justice.

[McLaren Fan]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

That's a funny idea of justice.

Perhaps you can define justice for me.

[Denthúl]

I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.

Well, it depends on your motives: do you do it for revenge or justice? As far as I'm concerned, Hamilton is the just champion of 2008, so it would be correct to ask Kovalainen to ram Massa off the circuit if Raikkonen took Hamilton out of the race. Indeed, I think McLaren are the just champions of 2008 as well, so, if it were possible, I wouldn't mind seeing one or both of the Ferraris getting wiped so McLaren could win the constructors' title. The balance between injustice and justice would be restored.

That's a funny idea of justice.

Perhaps you can define justice for me.

the quality of being just or fair

Taking any competitor out of a race is not fair and in the scenario you came up with, revenge would not be justice.