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#75099
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).

Yeah I reckon they'll do that, Kovalainen has nothing to lose, Massa has everything to lose and Lewis can just put on cruise control.
#75100
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble
#75101
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.
#75103
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.


Yeh but its better to have Kovi as a rear gunner to keep lewis 2nd or 3rd do you not think? He'll just either get taken at the start or loose it a few laps down.

He can't handle pressure too well i don't think
#75105
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.

Indeed, he showed us what he can do in qualifying at Silverstone when he went for the light fuel load and Hamilton was heavier. It would also make Han squeal with delight and then "do the Heikki".

I think Kovalainen would be the one with the least pressure on his shoulders, he isn't in contention so he'll be able to do as he pleases, afterall Hamilton has to finish lower than 6th in order to lose the Championship. I'm expecting Alonso to be up there again, Kimi will be too slow again in his "can't be bothered" mode and Kubica's BMW won't be quick enough because BMW spent too much time trying to solve Heidfeld's qualifying problems.
#75109
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.

Indeed, he showed us what he can do in qualifying at Silverstone when he went for the light fuel load and Hamilton was heavier. It would also make Han squeal with delight and then "do the Heikki".

I think Kovalainen would be the one with the least pressure on his shoulders, he isn't in contention so he'll be able to do as he pleases, afterall Hamilton has to finish lower than 6th in order to lose the Championship. I'm expecting Alonso to be up there again, Kimi will be too slow again in his "can't be bothered" mode and Kubica's BMW won't be quick enough because BMW spent too much time trying to solve Heidfeld's qualifying problems.


:sickman:

Everyone loves to do the Heikki
#75110
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.


Yeh but its better to have Kovi as a rear gunner to keep lewis 2nd or 3rd do you not think? He'll just either get taken at the start or loose it a few laps down.

He can't handle pressure too well i don't think


I think fending off Raikkonen's Ferrari in a Renault, when he needed good performances in order to try to save his drive, is handling pressure quite well. :)

I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.

Indeed, he showed us what he can do in qualifying at Silverstone when he went for the light fuel load and Hamilton was heavier. It would also make Han squeal with delight and then "do the Heikki".

I think Kovalainen would be the one with the least pressure on his shoulders, he isn't in contention so he'll be able to do as he pleases, afterall Hamilton has to finish lower than 6th in order to lose the Championship. I'm expecting Alonso to be up there again, Kimi will be too slow again in his "can't be bothered" mode and Kubica's BMW won't be quick enough because BMW spent too much time trying to solve Heidfeld's qualifying problems.


If it's hot enough in Brazil then I expect Raikkonen, Heidfeld and Button to be able to qualify where they should be.
#75120
I think they should fuel Kovalainen light and give him at least some chance of some more glory in the last race of the season and if Lewis gets ahead of Massa too, alow Kovalainen to pull off into the distance and this would seriously unnerve Massa.


Or, if necessary, hold Massa back? If Kovalainen starts ahead of Felipe, he can hold him up for a whole stint (although, Massa does have a spectacular way around Interlagos).


Depending on Fuel massa is proberly gonna get pole, they might do lewis light tho with a short 1st stint so he can clear everyone and stay out of trouble


Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.


Yeh but its better to have Kovi as a rear gunner to keep lewis 2nd or 3rd do you not think? He'll just either get taken at the start or loose it a few laps down.

He can't handle pressure too well i don't think


I think fending off Raikkonen's Ferrari in a Renault, when he needed good performances in order to try to save his drive, is handling pressure quite well. :)



Yeh but look at quali on Sat he was fast enough to take p2 but the 2nd run he made he was terrible and i think that was a result of some pressure.

i'm not saying its all the time just somtimes he goes abit iffy.
#75149
If Raikkonen intentionally crashes into Lewis I would expect McLaren to have ordered Kovalainen to wipe out Massa. You wouldn't see any complaints from any but the most biased Ferrari lambs.


You'd hear complaints from me. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.


In some cases they do, and this would be one of them. If Ferrari adopt dirty tactics then do you think McLaren should just accept it, especially after all the FIA-Scuderia favourable relations that have gone on this season? I'm not suggesting it will happen, because we know Kimi doesn't care. But if he took Hamilton out in a clearly intentional way, it would not bug my conscience at all to hope to see Massa being taken out by Kovalainen.
#75196
If Raikkonen intentionally crashes into Lewis I would expect McLaren to have ordered Kovalainen to wipe out Massa. You wouldn't see any complaints from any but the most biased Ferrari lambs.


You'd hear complaints from me. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.


In some cases they do, and this would be one of them. If Ferrari adopt dirty tactics then do you think McLaren should just accept it, especially after all the FIA-Scuderia favourable relations that have gone on this season? I'm not suggesting it will happen, because we know Kimi doesn't care. But if he took Hamilton out in a clearly intentional way, it would not bug my conscience at all to hope to see Massa being taken out by Kovalainen.


No one will delibrately take no one out. Kimi wont anyway as he doesn't really care. Alonso maybe, but then again he isn't getting a Ferrari seat anytime soon as a reward so I doubt that to. All I hope is that Lewis Hamilton blows an engine and that Massa then comes 1st or 2nd. Could happen. Lewis Hamilton wont be allowed to use his Joker engine on the last race, so his engine will be the same as that used in Shanghai. Both Ferraris will be on brand new engines.
#75211
If Raikkonen intentionally crashes into Lewis I would expect McLaren to have ordered Kovalainen to wipe out Massa. You wouldn't see any complaints from any but the most biased Ferrari lambs.


You'd hear complaints from me. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.


In some cases they do, and this would be one of them. If Ferrari adopt dirty tactics then do you think McLaren should just accept it, especially after all the FIA-Scuderia favourable relations that have gone on this season? I'm not suggesting it will happen, because we know Kimi doesn't care. But if he took Hamilton out in a clearly intentional way, it would not bug my conscience at all to hope to see Massa being taken out by Kovalainen.


No one will delibrately take no one out. Kimi wont anyway as he doesn't really care. Alonso maybe, but then again he isn't getting a Ferrari seat anytime soon as a reward so I doubt that to. All I hope is that Lewis Hamilton blows an engine and that Massa then comes 1st or 2nd. Could happen. Lewis Hamilton wont be allowed to use his Joker engine on the last race, so his engine will be the same as that used in Shanghai. Both Ferraris will be on brand new engines.


Anything can happen.

Defo won't rule anything out after last year
#75233
Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.

Aye, and he'll be passed in the first round of pit stops. Stop coming out with this idea that Kovalainen needs a lighter fuel strategy. It's not true. His race pace is the problem. The only advantage of putting Kovalainen on the light fuel strategy is that it will help to keep Hamilton out of trouble. He will also hold up Massa, but there is no real need to do this provided Hamilton keeps things under control.
Indeed, he showed us what he can do in qualifying at Silverstone when he went for the light fuel load and Hamilton was heavier. It would also make Han squeal with delight and then "do the Heikki".

Aye, and he was able to keep up the pace in the race, wasn't he? He was lapping over three tenths of a second slower in the race and was slower in the long-runs in practice. :rolleyes:

If Raikkonen intentionally crashes into Lewis I would expect McLaren to have ordered Kovalainen to wipe out Massa. You wouldn't see any complaints from any but the most biased Ferrari lambs.


You'd hear complaints from me. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.


In some cases they do, and this would be one of them. If Ferrari adopt dirty tactics then do you think McLaren should just accept it, especially after all the FIA-Scuderia favourable relations that have gone on this season? I'm not suggesting it will happen, because we know Kimi doesn't care. But if he took Hamilton out in a clearly intentional way, it would not bug my conscience at all to hope to see Massa being taken out by Kovalainen.

I agree. Denthúl needs to be welcomed into the real world on this one, I'm afraid. The FIA and McLaren don't get along, and, even if they did, there's very little could do anyway. If Raikkonen took out Hamilton, they couldn't punish Massa, no matter how much they wanted to. Besides, I think this is a nothing discussion anyway. Raikkonen doesn't give a toss who wins the title and I don't think he's the sort of driver who would do that sort of thing anyway.
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#75258
Fuelled light enough, Kovalainen could take pole - he's easily fast enough in qualifying. He just needs to have the lighter fuel-load.

Aye, and he'll be passed in the first round of pit stops. Stop coming out with this idea that Kovalainen needs a lighter fuel strategy. It's not true. His race pace is the problem. The only advantage of putting Kovalainen on the light fuel strategy is that it will help to keep Hamilton out of trouble. He will also hold up Massa, but there is no real need to do this provided Hamilton keeps things under control.


It's his issue with his race pace that would be the key to this coming off. He might be slow, but I don't think he'd let Massa pass him too easily. It wouldn't matter if he was passed at the first stops or not, seeing as Hamilton would still most likely be carrying more fuel than Massa...

If Raikkonen intentionally crashes into Lewis I would expect McLaren to have ordered Kovalainen to wipe out Massa. You wouldn't see any complaints from any but the most biased Ferrari lambs.


You'd hear complaints from me. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.


In some cases they do, and this would be one of them. If Ferrari adopt dirty tactics then do you think McLaren should just accept it, especially after all the FIA-Scuderia favourable relations that have gone on this season? I'm not suggesting it will happen, because we know Kimi doesn't care. But if he took Hamilton out in a clearly intentional way, it would not bug my conscience at all to hope to see Massa being taken out by Kovalainen.

I agree. Denthúl needs to be welcomed into the real world on this one, I'm afraid. The FIA and McLaren don't get along, and, even if they did, there's very little could do anyway. If Raikkonen took out Hamilton, they couldn't punish Massa, no matter how much they wanted to. Besides, I think this is a nothing discussion anyway. Raikkonen doesn't give a toss who wins the title and I don't think he's the sort of driver who would do that sort of thing anyway.


I'm sorry, but if a Ferrari took Hamilton out and McLaren retaliated by having one of their cars take out the other Ferrari, then they'd be no better than Ferrari for it. End of.
#75260
I doubt Kimi will attempt anything silly, its not in the Finnish psyche to purposely screw someone out or cheat someone.
Heikki is more likely to ram Massa off the road ( not likely)

Massa would have to be an idiot to try anything - 1 because he risks his own car being damaged and 2- he risks a drive through penalty or a stop/go penalty

But Alonso.... I really think he may attempt something if he gets half a chance. I hope him and Lewis are not on the 2nd row together.
I think Lewis said last year he purposely slowed down in Brazil to tempt him into that outrageous overtake move which took him off the track
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