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[madbrad]

I vow to help Massa win the title.

[McLaren Fan]

From Planet F1:

Tuesday 14th October 2008

Fernando Alonso has inadvertently confirmed that he judged Lewis Hamilton's penalty in the Japanese GP fully deserved without even knowing what the Englishman was punished for.

In the post-race press conference conducted immediately after Sunday's event, the three podium finishers were asked if they thought Hamilton's drive-through penalty was fair. While Kimi Raikkonen and Robert Kubica both replied that they "didn't know" because they "didn't see the whole thing", Alonso, without hesitation, declared he "agreed" with the decision.

However, speaking later to a Spanish newspaper, the former McLaren driver, who endured a fractious relationship with Hamilton during his season at Woking, admitted he didn't know what had happened or even what the stewards had found him guilty of.

"I don't know what he did," said the Spaniard, "but it's good he's punished anyway."

Alonso, the most outspoken critic of Hamilton's driving in the Belgium GP, went on to confirm that, "without a doubt", he would attempt to help Felipe Massa win the title ahead of Hamilton.

[Denthúl]

Alonso, the most outspoken critic of Hamilton's driving in the Belgium GP, went on to confirm that, "without a doubt", he would attempt to help Felipe Massa win the title ahead of Hamilton.[/i]

This is actually something that's in doubt at the moment. According to a lot of sources, there was a mis-translation and his comment (in Spanish) was that if he was in Kimi's shoes, he'd do whatever he could to help Massa win the title.

[EwanM]

Alonso, the most outspoken critic of Hamilton's driving in the Belgium GP, went on to confirm that, "without a doubt", he would attempt to help Felipe Massa win the title ahead of Hamilton.[/i]

This is actually something that's in doubt at the moment. According to a lot of sources, there was a mis-translation and his comment (in Spanish) was that if he was in Kimi's shoes, he'd do whatever he could to help Massa win the title.

I read that too. They totally jumped the gun and Planet-F1 has been slaughtered on it by some of the people in the comments box about translating it.
I was disappointed with the site - it shouldn't be showing its colours the way it has been over the past couple of weeks.

[McLaren Fan]

Alonso, the most outspoken critic of Hamilton's driving in the Belgium GP, went on to confirm that, "without a doubt", he would attempt to help Felipe Massa win the title ahead of Hamilton.[/i]

This is actually something that's in doubt at the moment. According to a lot of sources, there was a mis-translation and his comment (in Spanish) was that if he was in Kimi's shoes, he'd do whatever he could to help Massa win the title.

And what about Alonso not knowing what it was Hamilton got penalised for, claiming he did and that the punishment was fair enough, and then later saying he was glad Hamilton was punished anyway?

[Hanwombat]

Id dread to think if all the drivers were women, you think men are 'bitchy'

[Denthúl]

Alonso, the most outspoken critic of Hamilton's driving in the Belgium GP, went on to confirm that, "without a doubt", he would attempt to help Felipe Massa win the title ahead of Hamilton.[/i]

This is actually something that's in doubt at the moment. According to a lot of sources, there was a mis-translation and his comment (in Spanish) was that if he was in Kimi's shoes, he'd do whatever he could to help Massa win the title.

And what about Alonso not knowing what it was Hamilton got penalised for, claiming he did and that the punishment was fair enough, and then later saying he was glad Hamilton was punished anyway?

That's just a guy bitter about the events of the last season, and I don't disagree with what you're implying on that one.

[EwanM]

Nope P-F1 WRONG AGAIN
THEY REALLY SHOULD LEARN TO TRANSLATE SPANISH:

SOCTORRES
"Does anyone in PF1 double check translations or speak more than one language? AS reported: "¿Y qué le parece la sanción a Hamilton? No sé lo que hizo, pero bien penalizado está (se ríe)." This is translated as: "Don't know what he did, but he's well sanctioned (he laughs)." So it's a joke... that's all. Whether this is really bad journalism or it was done on purpose... Either way, it speaks really badly of this site."

deepwater330
Posted Today @ 11:19 View all deepwater330's posts

PF-1, in response to my submission says : No problem. If you want to read a full transcript of the interview made by a non-journalist from the 'so-called motor sports press', visit the PF1 Forum at http://forum.planet-f1.com/index.php?t= ... 65&start=0&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; where a Spanish member has provided his own transcript. I have and the bit pertaining to Alonso comment reads as follows: QUOTE. What do you think about Hamilton's penalty? I don't know what he did, but he's well punished . (Technically he might mean "the penalty certainly hurt him" because it'd be the same words in Spanish, but... probably not.) UNQUOTE. In conjunction with Igor¿s response this reads to me as someone making an ironic, tongue in cheek comment not a factual judgement, especially as the translation itself qualifies an alternate meaning. But, as they say, don¿t let the truth get in the way of a good story! I stand by my earlier response.

[juggles]

what an asshole. he should be focusing on his team and nothing else. the way he puts it implies that if he was ahead of Massa in Brazil and by letting him through it would swing the WDC in the Brazilian's favour, he'd do it. shave your eyebrows

[billindenver]

Alonso, the most outspoken critic of Hamilton's driving in the Belgium GP, went on to confirm that, "without a doubt", he would attempt to help Felipe Massa win the title ahead of Hamilton.[/i]

This is actually something that's in doubt at the moment. According to a lot of sources, there was a mis-translation and his comment (in Spanish) was that if he was in Kimi's shoes, he'd do whatever he could to help Massa win the title.

And what about Alonso not knowing what it was Hamilton got penalised for, claiming he did and that the punishment was fair enough, and then later saying he was glad Hamilton was punished anyway?

I would say that Alonso is the flip side of the same coin of some of the Hamilton fans in here, who no matter what he does he wasn't guilty and didn't deserve the penalty. While there are many who do not like Hamilton, none of us have half the reason not to like him that Alonso has. I don't hold it against him at all, had Hamilton followed team orders and allowed Alonso out first last year there wouldn't have been any drama, Alonso would not have been penalized and Alonso would have won the title. I think the drama between those two drivers is going to be long and pronounced. Had Alonso had a car capable of competing this year, I think there would have been much paint traded between those two. I would not be at all shocked to see Alonso take Hamilton out of a race, he certainly would not roll over and kiss his hand like Kimi has done when Hammy makes a move on him.

[AKR]

Alonso is a tosser!

Alonso is a HERO. He even said that he was glad that Lewis Hamilton got a penalty and it was well deserved, but didn't know what it was for. Something I would of said as well. Alonso and I sure think a like. *LOL* Spanish - Italian all same *LOL* Now we have another Ally to help Massa. So it will be Massa and the allies that comprises of Kimi, Alonso, Max Mosely, the FIA, the Stewards and who know what other drivers Vs Lewis Hamilton and McLaren Scum. This will make one war zone of a great finale. And let us hope that the Allies are Victorious................

[AKR]

Nope P-F1 WRONG AGAIN
THEY REALLY SHOULD LEARN TO TRANSLATE SPANISH:

SOCTORRES
"Does anyone in PF1 double check translations or speak more than one language? AS reported: "¿Y qué le parece la sanción a Hamilton? No sé lo que hizo, pero bien penalizado está (se ríe)." This is translated as: "Don't know what he did, but he's well sanctioned (he laughs)." So it's a joke... that's all. Whether this is really bad journalism or it was done on purpose... Either way, it speaks really badly of this site."

deepwater330
Posted Today @ 11:19 View all deepwater330's posts

PF-1, in response to my submission says : No problem. If you want to read a full transcript of the interview made by a non-journalist from the 'so-called motor sports press', visit the PF1 Forum at http://forum.planet-f1.com/index.php?t= ... 65&start=0&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; where a Spanish member has provided his own transcript. I have and the bit pertaining to Alonso comment reads as follows: QUOTE. What do you think about Hamilton's penalty? I don't know what he did, but he's well punished . (Technically he might mean "the penalty certainly hurt him" because it'd be the same words in Spanish, but... probably not.) UNQUOTE. In conjunction with Igor¿s response this reads to me as someone making an ironic, tongue in cheek comment not a factual judgement, especially as the translation itself qualifies an alternate meaning. Bu
t, as they say, don¿t let the truth get in the way of a good story! I stand by my earlier response.

pero bien penalizado está (se ríe). This part means literally "but well penalised he is (he laughs). When I read it in Spanish I think it in Spanish without a translation so the way it is said makes perfect sense. But to translate correctly it means that he is happy that he got penalised. This part ¿Y qué le parece la sanción a Hamilton? No sé lo que hizo you translated correctly. So in all the journalist have got nothing wrong. Alonso is clearly happy that Lewis Hamilton got a penalty and didn't know what the penalty was for.

[AKR]

I think Alonso hates McLaren, not Hamilton.

Therefore he is a LEGEND.

[Maily]

Miss,Mrs or whatever, cannot believe you would be married, you truely are a w***er. Now you need the rest of the field, plus FIA to beat Hamilton.

[AKR]

Miss,Mrs or whatever, cannot believe you would be married, you truely are a w***er. Now you need the rest of the field, plus FIA to beat Hamilton.

Gee you love to use that "W" word a lot. You should really stop talking about yourself you know. And no I am not married so therefore it is Miss, gospodična or signorina to you thankyou very much.