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By Denthúl
#71141
If teams really were that noble, then there would have been complaints from every team/driver that benefitted from, say, Heidfeld's unfair grid-drop in Singapore or Bourdais' unfair grid-drop in Hungary. But none of them did.
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By bud
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If teams really were that noble, then there would have been complaints from every team/driver that benefitted from, say, Heidfeld's unfair grid-drop in Singapore or Bourdais' unfair grid-drop in Hungary. But none of them did.



noble was a term invented by the english and disambiguated by the italians
By Gaz
#71199
Yeh but suggesting one of...no infact the greatest racing driver in the history of the sport committed "crimes" against ferrari is just utter stupidity.

You have to look at other peoples point of view, it seams this season that the FIA has been very hard on Mclaren and alot of fans are very bitter about LH loosing his win in spa. And the two decisions that went against him today (directly and indirectly)

but there's no use bringing Senna in to this because thats just asking for trouble.


Then they (The other McLaren supporters) should stop calling Ferrari cheats as in the end they are just looking at their own point of view as well. If the FIA really wanted to cheat then why give Massa a drive through penalty at all today? Answer that. Had he not got that he could of easily had finished on the podium because he would of easily gotten as far as behind Kimi who would of somehow did the swap. But no we got a penalty as well as Lewis and others who did their share of wrongs. If you believe the FIA got it wrong with Bourdais then blame them and not Ferrari as I doubt it is Ferrari's doing.


There's no use going what if this and that.

Both drivers made mistakes regardless and both were punished i would say massa's was alot worse and lewis's was negligible.

But the fact is Massa Collided with Seb B and not the other way around and that is what alot of Mclaren fans are pissed off about.


Then perhaps the FIA has gotten that one wrong. But it is their mistake not Ferrari's fault. If the FIA wanted to cheat Massa would of gotten no penalty what so ever, but the reality is that he did.


I never said it was Ferrari's fault?

But your going off on one because people are rather than just saying it wasn't the FIAs decicison i don't have a problem with Ferrari i have a big problem with the FIA

But you have a big problem with Mclaren and its very stupid.
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By nikon133
#72178
AKR the only fact is Ferrari have a different definition of the term winning! and they are not winners!

Ferrari are false champions. They were false champions in 1999, false champions last season and are heading to be false champions once again this season with the help of their friends, the FIA.


As was Senna's title in 1990 when he deleibratly and admitted taking out Prost. And I don't care what happened the year before. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Never mind the year before. Balestre telephoned the track and ordered them not to change the sides of the pole and second position to favour Prost and Ferrari. Senna gave you lot just what you deserved.


Exactly he did what he did now after all those years McLaren and Ron Dennis are paying for all the crimes committed to Ferrari. So McLaren deserve all the bad they get.


Wtf are you talking about AKR?

it sounds like your just trying to piss off Mclaren fans now?


Ah, she's doing that all the time. We don't pay much attention any more :hehe:
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By AKR
#72189
Ah, she's doing that all the time. We don't pay much attention any more :hehe:


Sounds like you are trying to s*** me as well, but is ok as I don't pay much attention to you anymore as well. :hehe:
By Gaz
#72202
Ah, she's doing that all the time. We don't pay much attention any more :hehe:


Sounds like you are trying to s*** me as well, but is ok as I don't pay much attention to you anymore as well. :hehe:


Yeh but what did you mean by Crimes against Ferrari?

your talking utter tosh woman!
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By bud
#72225
Ah, she's doing that all the time. We don't pay much attention any more :hehe:


Sounds like you are trying to s*** me as well, but is ok as I don't pay much attention to you anymore as well. :hehe:


Yeh but what did you mean by Crimes against Ferrari?

your talking utter tosh woman!



not being catholic perhaps? :hehe: who knows with AKR's definitions
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By AKR
#72231
Ah, she's doing that all the time. We don't pay much attention any more :hehe:


Sounds like you are trying to s*** me as well, but is ok as I don't pay much attention to you anymore as well. :hehe:


Yeh but what did you mean by Crimes against Ferrari?

your talking utter tosh woman!


The 1990 championship (You know what happened there) and the 1997 where Williams won with the help of McLaren. Don't bother with this as an argument as McLaren Fan and I have argued it many times and it changes no ones opinions. BUT i've accepted the loss in both years, however revenge in the 21st century has been sweet. Schumacher's domance however isn't enough, neither was last years win and McLaren's 100 million dollar fine. I want more championships for Ferrari. I am hungry for more wins and punishment to McLaren. If Ferrari don't win then I want someone else to win except McLaren. Renault's 2 wins this century were welcoming, especially the 2005 win. :yes::thumbup::D
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By bud
#72246
Ah, she's doing that all the time. We don't pay much attention any more :hehe:


Sounds like you are trying to s*** me as well, but is ok as I don't pay much attention to you anymore as well. :hehe:


Yeh but what did you mean by Crimes against Ferrari?

your talking utter tosh woman!


The 1990 championship (You know what happened there) and the 1997 where Williams won with the help of McLaren. Don't bother with this as an argument as McLaren Fan and I have argued it many times and it changes no ones opinions. BUT i've accepted the loss in both years, however revenge in the 21st century has been sweet. Schumacher's domance however isn't enough, neither was last years win and McLaren's 100 million dollar fine. I want more championships for Ferrari. I am hungry for more wins and punishment to McLaren. If Ferrari don't win then I want someone else to win except McLaren. Renault's 2 wins this century were welcoming, especially the 2005 win. :yes::thumbup::D


1990? :rofl: how can you use that ? you wouldnt have even been old enough at the time to make a judgement :rofl:

1997 :rofl: wheres your hate for Williams then? if they were in cahoots together?
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McLaren supporters are calling Ferrari wins false...

[Then they (The other McLaren supporters) should stop calling Ferrari cheats.

Well, Ferrari are cheats...

:shrug:

If the FIA really wanted to cheat then why give Massa a drive through penalty at all today? Answer that.

Because that move was so blatant they had to give it some kind of penalty, otherwise the cries of FIA bias would be even louder. Massa should count himself lucky he only got a drive-through penalty; a black flag would have been more appropriate.

The 1990 championship (You know what happened there) and the 1997 where Williams won with the help of McLaren. Don't bother with this as an argument as McLaren Fan and I have argued it many times and it changes no ones opinions. BUT i've accepted the loss in both years, however revenge in the 21st century has been sweet. Schumacher's domance however isn't enough, neither was last years win and McLaren's 100 million dollar fine. I want more championships for Ferrari. I am hungry for more wins and punishment to McLaren. If Ferrari don't win then I want someone else to win except McLaren. Renault's 2 wins this century were welcoming, especially the 2005 win. :yes::thumbup::D

We have been through this before.

:spaz:
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