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By Gaz
#70264
Yep you too,

i would hate to see the 09 championship ending Mclaren, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari-Fiat


If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:



Yeh your proberly right but at least Mercades don't make s*** cars


And what are you saying Ferrari cars are s***? If you are, there really must be something wrong with you......



Well they keep blowing up in big plumes of smoke?

but no i ment FIAT's aren't too good.
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By AKR
#70266
Yep you too,

i would hate to see the 09 championship ending Mclaren, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari-Fiat


If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:



Yeh your proberly right but at least Mercades don't make s*** cars


And what are you saying Ferrari cars are s***? If you are, there really must be something wrong with you......



Well they keep blowing up in big plumes of smoke?

but no i ment FIAT's aren't too good.


No most of the time we win..................and in road cars they never blow up unless the owner is an idiot and crashes the car into something. But going back to winning, who is the most dominant F1 team of the 21st century. Need I say more........ And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.
By Gaz
#70267
Yep you too,

i would hate to see the 09 championship ending Mclaren, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari-Fiat


If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:



Yeh your proberly right but at least Mercades don't make s*** cars


And what are you saying Ferrari cars are s***? If you are, there really must be something wrong with you......



Well they keep blowing up in big plumes of smoke?

but no i ment FIAT's aren't too good.


No most of the time we win..................and in road cars they never blow up unless the owner is an idiot and crashes the car into something. But going back to winning, who is the most dominant F1 team of the 21st century. Need I say more........ And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.



Your obsessed woman! and its not healthy
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By AKR
#70271
Yep you too,

i would hate to see the 09 championship ending Mclaren, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari-Fiat


If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:



Yeh your proberly right but at least Mercades don't make s*** cars


And what are you saying Ferrari cars are s***? If you are, there really must be something wrong with you......



Well they keep blowing up in big plumes of smoke?

but no i ment FIAT's aren't too good.


No most of the time we win..................and in road cars they never blow up unless the owner is an idiot and crashes the car into something. But going back to winning, who is the most dominant F1 team of the 21st century. Need I say more........ And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.



Your obsessed woman! and its not healthy


I agree, I am obsessed and it isn't healthy. I cant help myself. I am too passionate. I love Ferrari, I love Italy and I love Slovenija. I wish I wasn't that obsessed because if I were not then when Ferrari loses I would get all that upset!
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By bud
#70272
And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.


No actually Renault and Toyota have been caught with others material, just McLaren were made Martyrs because Ferrari went about to make it happen because it was in their best interest. For if they were just, they would have gone about the same actions against Toyota years earlier as they did with McLaren
Ferrari always go crying to the FIA when they need help to beat their opponents. whether it be banning 4 year old tyres that suddenly start beating you or banning your opponent who suddenly starts beating you by 60 seconds.

yeah Ferrari win alot but do they really win in its true meaning? :wink:
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By AKR
#70275
And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.


No actually Renault and Toyota have been caught with others material, just McLaren were made Martyrs because Ferrari went about to make it happen because it was in their best interest. For if they were just, they would have gone about the same actions against Toyota years earlier as they did with McLaren
Ferrari always go crying to the FIA when they need help to beat their opponents. whether it be banning 4 year old tyres that suddenly start beating you or banning your opponent who suddenly starts beating you by 60 seconds.

yeah Ferrari win alot but do they really win in its true meaning? :wink:


I knew you would say that. I tried using the "Why didn't McLaren appeal it then if they were innocent" and you still find a way around it. *sighs* You are very smart Bud...... :wink:
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By bud
#70276
whats the point of appealing to corruption? when after the first Meeting no charges were laid on McLaren by a unanimous vote of the FIA members then it took one Italian to overthrow this vote by asking Max Mosely to do so!

appeals should be before an independent body and that goes for the FIA stewards rulings as well.
#70280
To be the best you have to think your the best lewis may sound big headed and seen out spoken but tell me someone with great talent who is or was not like that....
Schumacher
Ali
Tiger woods
to name a few all had that mindset that nobody was better then them thats why there champions
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By bud
#70282
To be the best you have to think your the best lewis may sound big headed and seen out spoken but tell me someone with great talent who is or was not like that....
Schumacher
Ali
Tiger woods
to name a few all had that mindset that nobody was better then them thats why there champions


Michael Jordan another, though a blind man knew MJ was the greatest so wasnt bad hearing him say he was the best :hehe:
#70283
Yep you too,

i would hate to see the 09 championship ending Mclaren, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari-Fiat


If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:



Yeh your proberly right but at least Mercades don't make s*** cars


And what are you saying Ferrari cars are s***? If you are, there really must be something wrong with you......



Well they keep blowing up in big plumes of smoke?

but no i ment FIAT's aren't too good.


No most of the time we win..................and in road cars they never blow up unless the owner is an idiot and crashes the car into something. But going back to winning, who is the most dominant F1 team of the 21st century. Need I say more........ And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.



Oh come on now, you can call a Ferrari quick (some of them) and you can certainly call them sexy. You can call them status symbols, or you can call them boy toys but you can never, ever call them reliable or easily maintained. Seriously now....saying a Ferrari never blows up, in your outside voice...

And yes, for McLaren to accuse Ferrari of cheating is a little bit silly, only in that every single race team ever created on any level is looking for loopholes in the rules...or to put it bluntly, cheating. Now, getting copies of the other teams files, plans etc....that is full on, under the table....cheating. Still, any F1 team crying cheat.....is like a politician saying another politician is a liar. Being stupid enough to circulate proof in EMAIL...now that is stupid.
#70306
You must really be off your head? Most peolpe on this site know what an F-50 is. You obviously know nothing about cars now do you? "I guess that might be true" nice way to relate it to the originally heading of this topic. Tell me who here has never heard of an F-50? And like I said before stuff the F-50. Although it handles like a gem I would rather the older F-40 or better still the older 288 GTO. I love that car. And one more fact. Ask anyone in the street. Anyone you see. Ask them what a Ferrari is. They will say it is a car, a fast car, a nice car an expensive car. Even ask it to anu 10 year old and most likely they will know. Ask them what a McLaren is and unless they know about F1 or cars in general they wont know what the hell it is. Ask a hardcore England football lover and they'll say its their ex disgraced coach! hahahahahahaha. But going back to cars, the McLaren F1 is an ok car, just like Porsche is and just like Lamborghini is. But personally I would rather a Ferrari, and be somones "Cosmic Girl" :wink:

I cannot agree with this. Everybody knows what the McLaren F1 is and everybody knows who McLaren are. The problem here is that the tifosi believe Ferrari has a monopoly on sports cars, on passion or automotive history.

Talking of Ferraris, it's good to see you like the same ones as I do: the F40 and the 288 GTO. In my view, Ferrari have not made a decent-looking car since the 355. Ferraris, unfortunately, are now bought by "spice boys".

If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:

How many times! Nobody in Britain is worried about McLaren being a British team. Lotus and Williams are British teams, but McLaren, although technically British, is more of an International team. If a McLaren wins, it doesn't matter whether 'God Save the Queen', 'Lied Von Deutschland' or 'Inno di Mameli' is played, for McLaren has its own ethos.

whats the point of appealing to corruption? when after the first Meeting no charges were laid on McLaren by a unanimous vote of the FIA members then it took one Italian to overthrow this vote by asking Max Mosely to do so!

appeals should be before an independent body and that goes for the FIA stewards rulings as well.

Well, in that case one would still have problems, for the FIA cannot write regulations properly and falsify evidence. :rolleyes:
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By 7UpJordan
#70314
How many times! Nobody in Britain is worried about McLaren being a British team. Lotus and Williams are British teams, but McLaren, although technically British, is more of an International team. If a McLaren wins, it doesn't matter whether 'God Save the Queen', 'Lied Von Deutschland' or 'Inno di Mameli' is played, for McLaren has its own ethos.

And also Bruce McLaren was a Kiwi, so technically its part New Zealand as well.
#70318
How many times! Nobody in Britain is worried about McLaren being a British team. Lotus and Williams are British teams, but McLaren, although technically British, is more of an International team. If a McLaren wins, it doesn't matter whether 'God Save the Queen', 'Lied Von Deutschland' or 'Inno di Mameli' is played, for McLaren has its own ethos.

And also Bruce McLaren was a Kiwi, so technically its part New Zealand as well.

Aye. McLaren was started by a Kiwi and had many Kiwis working for the team, but there was also American involvement from people such as Teddy Mayer. American influence increased when Marlboro sponsored the team from 1974, and were, of course, responsible for Project 4's merger with the team in 1980. When this happened, McLaren International was formed, and I feel that summed up the team well indeed, especially saying as it now had British influence. Then, a year later, Ron Dennis brought TAG into McLaren, and in 1995, Mercedes-Benz purchased shares in the team. Less well known is that in 2007 the Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company bought shares in the McLaren Group. People accuse McLaren of being cold and lifeless, but McLaren are the most culturally diverse team in Formula One.
By Gaz
#70327
Yep you too,

i would hate to see the 09 championship ending Mclaren, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari-Fiat


If McLaren wins then it will officially end like this. MERCEDES-MCLAREN, BMW-Sauber, Ferrari.
Remember Fiat has never called Ferrari a Fiat and you know they wont. Mercedes now I wouldn't trust them. HAHAHAHAHA
Also on a different note, Fiat is Italian. Even if they called it a Fiat-Ferrari at least it would still be Italian. Now if Mercedes took over McLaren in full. Oh I am sorry to hear the bad news, no more "God Saves the Queen" when McLaren wins. It will be "Lied Von Deutschland" when Mercedes win. Oh well, I like the German anthem anyway. Used to love hearing it followed by the Italian one in those gloryfull Michael Schumacher days. :thumbup::yes::wink:



Yeh your proberly right but at least Mercades don't make s*** cars


And what are you saying Ferrari cars are s***? If you are, there really must be something wrong with you......



Well they keep blowing up in big plumes of smoke?

but no i ment FIAT's aren't too good.


No most of the time we win..................and in road cars they never blow up unless the owner is an idiot and crashes the car into something. But going back to winning, who is the most dominant F1 team of the 21st century. Need I say more........ And before you label us as cheats, the only team who actually got caught cheating was McLaren in 2007. And before you say that was bullpoo, then if it was, why didn't McLaren even try to appeal it? I know why, because they knew they cheated and got caught.



Your obsessed woman! and its not healthy


I agree, I am obsessed and it isn't healthy. I cant help myself. I am too passionate. I love Ferrari, I love Italy and I love Slovenija. I wish I wasn't that obsessed because if I were not then when Ferrari loses I would get all that upset!



Yeh but there's one thing to be passionate, and love Ferrari but your constantly attacking Mclaren and saying there not going to be english or called Mclaren blah blah..

If say Renault were fighting Ferrari for the title would you attack them? or do you just hate Mclaren? - Thats whats unheathy the hatred of a rival team.

Respect them, Be Sad when they win and happy when they loose them but never hate them!

Can you honestly say that you would be happy if Mclaren were to leave F1 because i can honestly say i would be sad to see Ferrari go even tho there Mclaren's biggest rival and sometimes i feel that the FIA favours them (don't go off on one on that remark) it would be boring to see Mclaren tearing around ahead of BWM by 50 points and Lewis winning the title in Japan or something silly.
#70368
To be honest, longbow, I think she understands what it is we are saying, but is unmoved. She wouldn't give a toss if McLaren went bankrupt tomorrow. In fact, she would find it funny. :thumbdown:
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