AKR wrote:Well sooner or later it will be a MERCEDES. Despite what Ron Dennis thinks, he cannot be around forever and then who do you think will get the remaining share of McLaren. 
Mercedes, most likely, but that doesn't mean the team will be called Mercedes. Unless I'm doting, Ferrari are owned by FIAT and are still called Ferrari.
vintage wrote:wow, okay if your going to pick out things like that ill clarify for you. i said two different names because the team name is mclaren-mercedes. seriously its almost like saying "no i dont drive a benz, i drive a mercedes." yes i know they are different but the two are one team, using one name references the whole team. and yes i did see what he did when he was younger. lets take karting...of course he was good in karting when he was younger, he had a mclaren-mercedes kart. hes been all over ron dennis his whole life. its for this reason why he places so high. yes he has talent but the car he drives greatly enhances it. ill show you with this example. mclaren-mercedes, these past years, is always on the front of the grid. kovalainen, in renault last year did not place or qualify at the top of the grid. he finished with only 30 points. once he went to mclaren-mercedes he started scoring poles and has bagged 1 win. did he become a much better driver in 1 year?...not likely. it was the car! like i said, put hamilton in a different car and hes not great at all.
If you want to talk about teammates, let's assess Kovalainen's performance last season. In the same car, he completely thrashed Fisichella, who many would say is a decent, if not exactly spectacular driver. That follows that Kovalainen is a better than average driver. This season, despite all manner of support from McLaren, Kovalainen has been completely owned by Hamilton. The corollary of this is that Hamilton is a very talented driver.
It's true that Hamilton had good equipment at this disposal, but, again, you're leaving out important factors. As mentioned, other drivers who McLaren have sponsored failed to make the grade. In fact, almost all of them do. Does that not indicate that McLaren's vetting process is rigourous and sorts the wheat from the chaff? Second, in the same equipment as other drivers in Hamilton's time in the junior formulae, he wiped the floor with them. Again, this would suggest that Hamilton is talented. Finally, McLaren have all sorts of computer data etc. which tells them how Hamilton is performing. The team would know if he is extracting the most from his car etc. without having to look at his results. Once more, this suggests Hamilton is clearly a good driver.
vintage wrote:1.probably due to the problems between hamilton and alonso and the bitter rivalry. inside mclaren, the team was probably not balanced correctly and if dennis is going to support one driver or the other he is going to side with hamilton because hamilton has grown up with ron
2.you really cant compare yourself to hekki and say if your better you are "special." as you said, heikki is and "average driver." beating an average driver does not make you special.
3.it shows the mclaren does very well in water conditions as shown even in other races while ferrari greatly lagged behind.
there are plenty of others that try just as hard and deserve the seat much more like AKR said. the drivers i am talking about are kubica or vettel for example
Oh, all this again.
1. Things were perfectly even in McLaren. The only time they were not was when McLaren insisted that its drivers follow the team's policy at Monaco: the fastest driver until qualifying gets to choose whether or not he wants the non-safety-car or safety-car strategy and that both drivers are allowed to race freely until the final round of pit stops. It's interesting that you pick up on Alonso's criticisms of the team, but fail to mention Hamilton's criticisms as well. But, of course, that does not suit your specious argument. Also, I would refer you to last year's drivers' title table and statistics.
2. See above.
3. And the Toro Rosso does not handle well in the wet? I thought that Berger and Vettel both said the car was good in those conditions. Oh, yes, but that piece of information does not fit with your agenda either. Do you also mean to tell me that the MP4-23 has a massive handling advantage over every chassis on the grid in wet weather? The Ferrari may not like wet weather as much as the McLaren, but there are other cars that handle fairly well in damp conditions too. In Monza, other good cars were being driven by other talented drivers and Hamilton breezed past them all. What about last season, too, when Hamilton put in some great drives in wet conditions? The F2007 handled the rain fairly well, but that did nothing to stop Hamilton looking impressive.
Ayrton Senna: WDC 1988,
1989, 1990, 1991
McLaren: WCC 1974, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1998,
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