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By racechick
#69222
Oh, what a night, late December back in '63
What a very special time for me
As I remember what a night!

I LOVE THAT SONG!!

And

Come up and see me , make me smiiiiiile
Or do what you want running wild

(well i thnk thats the words, I usually get bits rong)
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By McLaren Fan
#69223
What do you think about the discrepency in university fees between Scotland and England?

What about them? It's not a simple matter of the Scots just voting themselves free stuff. If they give each student £1,725 a year for university, then that's £1,725 less they've got to spend on other things.


To round off, this goes back to what I said earlier. As part of the union we are partners, but the Scottish way of thinking is very much different to the likes of the other countries in some ways.

Its quite collective and socially based. Thats why we continue to give free tutition fees, personal health cares to the elderly - to name a few, because it is the way we fundamentally see ourselves.


They're admiral values , ones i think most English people would share, but in England university now costs £3000 a year and many students can't afford to go. :confused:

In Scotland, the university system works differently. For starters, the course is longer. In Scotland you do for years for a basic degree, whereas in England you do three years. When you factor in books etc., the fees for tuition are more or less the same. When you factor in accommodation costs etc., it's more expensive to go to a Scottish university. (As a footnote, I would argue that you get a better degree from a decent Scottish university, given you study three subjects for two years before deciding to do single or joint honours.) Again, this another myth abounding in the United Kingdom which has to be stamped out.


Well i dont quite see how an extra year's accomodation and books can account for a minimum of £9000?? But I dont want to get into an arguement about it. Im sure politics are involved somewhere and I dont know enough about them :-?

Scottish students get their fees paid for them, so that's a help. But they've still got to pay for accommodation. If you're Scottish, it's certainly cheaper, because you only have to worry about accommodation etc. I answered the question misleadingly, for I thought about it only from my own situation. If you are Irish, Welsh or English, you have to pay your £1,1725 fees a year. That said, the loans etc. students can take out are reasonable and if your grades are good enough, the university to which you go will give you a bursary of around about a £1,000 a year. This is less in Scotland. I only got £300 for the first year and that was it, although I did get one of those academic bursaries. If you apply for all your student funding and fees, you get 75% of the money you need. On top of the loans etc., you may need an extra £1,000 to £1,500 a year if you are Irish, Welsh or English. This is not a completely insurmountable sum of money. Without saying too much about it, if I can afford to go to university from my own family background, the vast majority of people who can and want to go to university can.
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By bud
#69224
Again, this another myth abounding in the United Kingdom which has to be stamped out.


As much of it is myth. Scotland shaped the Education system we have today.
It was but to certain degrees still is, a highly respected learning body.

As far as I'm concerned, particularly if are studying the Arts Faculty, the top Scottish universities (Glasgow, Edinburgh, St. Andrews, Aberdeen) will give you a better degree than comparable ones in the rest of the United Kingdom. After getting your basic degree (BSc. or MA), it's up to you wherever you go, for it will be mainly research work (M.Phi, Ph.D.).


But if English students choose to got to those universities they are still charged fees.


how does that work? apparently even i could have gone to Scotland for a free Tertiary education but i turned it down because i like summer
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By texasmr2
#69225
Oh, what a night, late December back in '63
What a very special time for me
As I remember what a night!

I LOVE THAT SONG!!

:thumbup:
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By EwanM
#69226
But if English students choose to got to those universities they are still charged fees.


Yes, but that is because it isn't the Country of the University where the rules apply.
It is the country of the student, because it is the government who stumps/or doesn't stump up the fees.

See personally I think it is a good thing that students from the UK come to the universities in Scotland.
We kick bottom after all... we legitimise the use of skirts. :thumbup:

Also, we don't
:thumbup:[/quote]pay for our own stuff cause we are mega.
Sorry guys we just are...

Kidding :rofl:


Oh, what a night, late December back in '63
What a very special time for me
As I remember what a night!

I LOVE THAT SONG!!


Goodmorning Tex, and yes I do like that song. Man I have lectures at 10 why do I insist on staying up... :thumbdown:
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By EwanM
#69227
how does that work? apparently even i could have gone to Scotland for a free Tertiary education but i turned it down because i like summer


:hehe:

I like sheep. And Skirts... and Haggis YUM
And shortbread.

But yes I don't like the rain.

Im wading in it as we speak.
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By darwin dali
#69228
Here's a question - if a Scottish Goat married an English goat... what nationality would their baby goat be? :wink:

The Beauty of the United Kingdoam eh?



Australian - this trait skips generations :hehe:
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By McLaren Fan
#69229
Again, this another myth abounding in the United Kingdom which has to be stamped out.


As much of it is myth. Scotland shaped the Education system we have today.
It was but to certain degrees still is, a highly respected learning body.

As far as I'm concerned, particularly if are studying the Arts Faculty, the top Scottish universities (Glasgow, Edinburgh, St. Andrews, Aberdeen) will give you a better degree than comparable ones in the rest of the United Kingdom. After getting your basic degree (BSc. or MA), it's up to you wherever you go, for it will be mainly research work (M.Phi, Ph.D.).


But if English students choose to got to those universities they are still charged fees.


how does that work? apparently even i could have gone to Scotland for a free Tertiary education but i turned it down because i like summer

If your parents (and possibly grandparents) are Scottish, you are also entitled to have your fees paid. If you're an Aussie, however, you may find the cold and wet unbearable. We were born into the conditions and still can't fecking stick them!
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By racechick
#69230
What do you think about the discrepency in university fees between Scotland and England?

What about them? It's not a simple matter of the Scots just voting themselves free stuff. If they give each student £1,725 a year for university, then that's £1,725 less they've got to spend on other things.


To round off, this goes back to what I said earlier. As part of the union we are partners, but the Scottish way of thinking is very much different to the likes of the other countries in some ways.

Its quite collective and socially based. Thats why we continue to give free tutition fees, personal health cares to the elderly - to name a few, because it is the way we fundamentally see ourselves.


They're admiral values , ones i think most English people would share, but in England university now costs £3000 a year and many students can't afford to go. :confused:

In Scotland, the university system works differently. For starters, the course is longer. In Scotland you do for years for a basic degree, whereas in England you do three years. When you factor in books etc., the fees for tuition are more or less the same. When you factor in accommodation costs etc., it's more expensive to go to a Scottish university. (As a footnote, I would argue that you get a better degree from a decent Scottish university, given you study three subjects for two years before deciding to do single or joint honours.) Again, this another myth abounding in the United Kingdom which has to be stamped out.


Well i dont quite see how an extra year's accomodation and books can account for a minimum of £9000?? But I dont want to get into an arguement about it. Im sure politics are involved somewhere and I dont know enough about them :-?

Scottish students get their fees paid for them, so that's a help. But they've still got to pay for accommodation. If you're Scottish, it's certainly cheaper, because you only have to worry about accommodation etc. I answered the question misleadingly, for I thought about it only from my own situation. If you are Irish, Welsh or English, you have to pay your £1,1725 fees a year. That said, the loans etc. students can take out are reasonable and if your grades are good enough, the university to which you go will give you a bursary of around about a £1,000 a year. This is less in Scotland. I only got £300 for the first year and that was it, although I did get one of those academic bursaries. If you apply for all your student funding and fees, you get 75% of the money you need. On top of the loans etc., you may need an extra £1,000 to £1,500 a year if you are Irish, Welsh or English. This is not a completely insurmountable sum of money. Without saying too much about it, if I can afford to go to university from my own family background, the vast majority of people who can and want to go to university can.


In England generally parents pay for accomodation and students take loans for books, living expenses and fees (Which are now £3000 a year minimum). Loans were a good deal when they started but are now little better than a bank loan. Kids tend to get bar jobs to supplement income but still leave uni with full student loans to pay off and huge overdrafts.For many that is too much and they dont go, particularly if parents can't afford to pay accomodation.Only exceptional students get burseries though very lowincome families can get help.
Hey! We way of topic!!! though actually if you read the title, maybe we're not
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By EwanM
#69231
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In Scotland it is against the law for men and woman to not be seen in those sorts of dress at all times.

Image - There's our current government photo.
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By McLaren Fan
#69232
What do you think about the discrepency in university fees between Scotland and England?

What about them? It's not a simple matter of the Scots just voting themselves free stuff. If they give each student £1,725 a year for university, then that's £1,725 less they've got to spend on other things.


To round off, this goes back to what I said earlier. As part of the union we are partners, but the Scottish way of thinking is very much different to the likes of the other countries in some ways.

Its quite collective and socially based. Thats why we continue to give free tutition fees, personal health cares to the elderly - to name a few, because it is the way we fundamentally see ourselves.


They're admiral values , ones i think most English people would share, but in England university now costs £3000 a year and many students can't afford to go. :confused:

In Scotland, the university system works differently. For starters, the course is longer. In Scotland you do for years for a basic degree, whereas in England you do three years. When you factor in books etc., the fees for tuition are more or less the same. When you factor in accommodation costs etc., it's more expensive to go to a Scottish university. (As a footnote, I would argue that you get a better degree from a decent Scottish university, given you study three subjects for two years before deciding to do single or joint honours.) Again, this another myth abounding in the United Kingdom which has to be stamped out.


Well i dont quite see how an extra year's accomodation and books can account for a minimum of £9000?? But I dont want to get into an arguement about it. Im sure politics are involved somewhere and I dont know enough about them :-?

Scottish students get their fees paid for them, so that's a help. But they've still got to pay for accommodation. If you're Scottish, it's certainly cheaper, because you only have to worry about accommodation etc. I answered the question misleadingly, for I thought about it only from my own situation. If you are Irish, Welsh or English, you have to pay your £1,1725 fees a year. That said, the loans etc. students can take out are reasonable and if your grades are good enough, the university to which you go will give you a bursary of around about a £1,000 a year. This is less in Scotland. I only got £300 for the first year and that was it, although I did get one of those academic bursaries. If you apply for all your student funding and fees, you get 75% of the money you need. On top of the loans etc., you may need an extra £1,000 to £1,500 a year if you are Irish, Welsh or English. This is not a completely insurmountable sum of money. Without saying too much about it, if I can afford to go to university from my own family background, the vast majority of people who can and want to go to university can.


In England generally parents pay for accomodation and students take loans for books, living expenses and fees (Which are now £3000 a year minimum). Loans were a good deal when they started but are now little better than a bank loan. Kids tend to get bar jobs to supplement income but still leave uni with full student loans to pay off and huge overdrafts.For many that is too much and they dont go, particularly if parents can't afford to pay accomodation.Only exceptional students get burseries though very lowincome families can get help.
Hey! We way of topic!!! though actually if you read the title, maybe we're not

I'm afraid that is also not true. You get the same amount of support if you are from Northern Ireland, Wales or England.
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By racechick
#69234
But if English students choose to got to those universities they are still charged fees.


Yes, but that is because it isn't the Country of the University where the rules apply.
It is the country of the student, because it is the government who stumps/or doesn't stump up the fees.

See personally I think it is a good thing that students from the UK come to the universities in Scotland.
We kick bottom after all... we legitimise the use of skirts. :thumbup:

Also, we don't
:thumbup:
pay for our own stuff cause we are mega.
Sorry guys we just are...

Kidding :rofl:


Oh, what a night, late December back in '63
What a very special time for me
As I remember what a night!

I LOVE THAT SONG!!


Goodmorning Tex, and yes I do like that song. Man I have lectures at 10 why do I insist on staying up... :thumbdown:[/quote]



10!! Im up at 6.15 to go to the gym!! mmm maybe its time for bed
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By texasmr2
#69236
Goodmorning Tex, and yes I do like that song. Man I have lectures at 10 why do I insist on staying up... :thumbdown:

Good morning to you also now go get some rest!!! :wink:
Last edited by texasmr2 on 01 Oct 08, 00:17, edited 1 time in total.
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By EwanM
#69237
what if a Kid was born in Scotland to English parents does he/she grow up to get free study?


Yes.
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