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By darwin dali
#69165
Hamilton rued getting 'stuck behind' his British compatriot David Coulthard, a Scot who drives for Red Bull.

"I hoped my fellow Brit might help me out, but he was in the points and wanted a good result," he told The Times.

I never thought that the Scots 'like' the English that much >>> :rolleyes:
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By EwanM
#69167
Hamilton rued getting 'stuck behind' his British compatriot David Coulthard, a Scot who drives for Red Bull.

"I hoped my fellow Brit might help me out, but he was in the points and wanted a good result," he told The Times.

I never thought that the Scots 'like' the English that much >>> :rolleyes:


Scots like the English.
Scots just don't like to be patronised which we often are by some sections of the English ;). I mean when a Scot does well he's a Brit, when an English man/woman does well she is English. All that Uk stuff is thrown out. It just isn't the Scots either, happens to all our friends in Northern Ireland and the Wales land... :P

Oh well

Rule Britannia!!!!!!!!
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By darwin dali
#69169
Hamilton rued getting 'stuck behind' his British compatriot David Coulthard, a Scot who drives for Red Bull.

"I hoped my fellow Brit might help me out, but he was in the points and wanted a good result," he told The Times.

I never thought that the Scots 'like' the English that much >>> :rolleyes:


Scots like the English.
Scots just don't like to be patronised which we often are by some sections of the English ;). I mean when a Scot does well he's a Brit, when an English man/woman does well she is English. All that Uk stuff is thrown out. It just isn't the Scots either, happens to all our friends in Northern Ireland and the Wales land... :P

Oh well

Rule Britannia!!!!!!!!


Not so sure good ol' Sean Connery feels the same way:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975725/posts

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995933/posts
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By EwanM
#69170
Hamilton rued getting 'stuck behind' his British compatriot David Coulthard, a Scot who drives for Red Bull.

"I hoped my fellow Brit might help me out, but he was in the points and wanted a good result," he told The Times.

I never thought that the Scots 'like' the English that much >>> :rolleyes:


Scots like the English.
Scots just don't like to be patronised which we often are by some sections of the English ;). I mean when a Scot does well he's a Brit, when an English man/woman does well she is English. All that Uk stuff is thrown out. It just isn't the Scots either, happens to all our friends in Northern Ireland and the Wales land... :P

Oh well

Rule Britannia!!!!!!!!


Not so sure good ol' Sean Connery feels the same way:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975725/posts

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995933/posts


Nobody really listens to Sean Connery. How can this man have a royal title, but talk about independence.
Scottish independence is circled around Mel Gibson dancing around rather than clear cut evidence.
Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the relationship with the English.
Sure there will always be the s*** stirrers on the other side. But you know...
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By McLaren Fan
#69175
Yeah, the English have a habit of changing when they somebody is British or not. It was the same with George Best. When he was alive he was drunken scumbag from backwater Northern Ireland, but when he died he was suddenly the greatest British footballer ever and would be sadly missed most by the fans of Manchester United. Another thing that seriously annoys me is how a number of war songs always talk of how England defeated the Axis. Without Harland and Wolff and Shorts Aircraft company, Britain would have been duck. After London, Belfast was the worst bombed city in Britain. It's nice to feel appreciated. :rolleyes:

That said, it's not all big, bad England. Some Scots and, to a lesser extent, Welsh want to have their cake and eat it (I don't include Northern Ireland in this one, for things are little bit different there). Via the Barnett Formula, for example, the Scots have been getting a fair amount of extra money spent on them per person, so they've done very well out of the Union, so have very little reason to complain.

It's true that in the last couple of years, Scottish and Welsh nationalism has reawakened, and there is, of course, some historic rivalry between Scotland and England in particular, but there is not the groundswell of opinion to see the Union disintegrate and some of those has been down to the failures of the current Labour regime and carpet-bagging by nationalist parties. The truth is that the vast, vast majority of Scots and Welsh support the Union, but, at the same time, they would just like the English to zip it with their slightly patronising, arrogant songs, views etc.. The topic doesn't come up that often in conversation either. At Glasgow University, I meet people from all over the country and we get on very well and have plenty of banter about our identities within Britain.

This is not the first time that D.D. has had something sly to say about the Union. With all due respect, you don't seem to have a good grasp about the situation over here, so rather than criticise it with limited knowledge, it would be better to inquire about it. So, to conclude, there are a couple of things each part of the Union likes to gripe about, but it's not that serious. It would be wise not to listen to hypocritical radicals such as Connery.
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By EwanM
#69178
I think it is more fundamental than that.
In 1707 Scotland entered a Union as partners. Other countries such as Wales and Ireland had it forced upon them.
Why? Sure Scotland was at it's knees financially and entering into a Union with England offered financial salvation and a method for Scottish nobles to gain more wealth and political power, but England also benefited from the union. The joining of the crowns exstinguished the threat that Scotland posed, especially with the French at the time willing to use Scotland to their advantage during their war with England.

Scotland did more than benefit from the Empire - many Scots were behind its success, many Scots moved to America in the 18th/19th century and shaped the United States to what it is today, but Union remained strong well into the 20th century.

Its downfall was the end of Britain as THE economic power - the end of the Empire coupled with Scotland's ageing industry based economy bore the brunt of Westminsters policies in 1970 and the Thatcherist 80s.
Scotland during this time was never Nationalist as they are still not today.

Why is there an SNP govt in power? Well apart from a screwed up ballot system last time out, it is due to the unpopularity of the current labour government than anything nationalistic.

As mentioned Scotland does gain alot from its Union with English: But it is still 3rd behind London and Northern Ireland in money per head.

It is also necessary to have this money - our economy is not as strong as England and our views on Social welfare is much stronger than the Laissez-faire south.
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By EwanM
#69179
I could go on and on and on and into more detail, but I won't.

Im Scottish first like im sure a Welshman is Welsh first.
But I am fundamentally British.
On the Track on the other hand nationality counts for nothing - DC was racing for points and not in the same team as Hamilton.
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By scotty
#69181
Yeah, the English have a habit of changing when they somebody is British or not. It was the same with George Best. When he was alive he was drunken scumbag from backwater Northern Ireland, but when he died he was suddenly the greatest British footballer ever and would be sadly missed most by the fans of Manchester United.


I don't think so, i have NEVER met any football fan who cared about 'British' players, it's always been England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. :confused:
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By EwanM
#69182
It is through the likes of Football etc that nationality still exists.
But there is a key difference between Nation and the State.
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By McLaren Fan
#69186
I don't think so, i have NEVER met any football fan who cared about 'British' players, it's always been England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. :confused:

Tell that to the BBC, Sky, and ITV. When George Best died, he was suddenly the greatest British footballer ever.
I think it is more fundamental than that.
In 1707 Scotland entered a Union as partners. Other countries such as Wales and Ireland had it forced upon them.
Why? Sure Scotland was at it's knees financially and entering into a Union with England offered financial salvation and a method for Scottish nobles to gain more wealth and political power, but England also benefited from the union. The joining of the crowns exstinguished the threat that Scotland posed, especially with the French at the time willing to use Scotland to their advantage during their war with England.

Scotland did more than benefit from the Empire - many Scots were behind its success, many Scots moved to America in the 18th/19th century and shaped the United States to what it is today, but Union remained strong well into the 20th century.

Its downfall was the end of Britain as THE economic power - the end of the Empire coupled with Scotland's ageing industry based economy bore the brunt of Westminsters policies in 1970 and the Thatcherist 80s.
Scotland during this time was never Nationalist as they are still not today.

Why is there an SNP govt in power? Well apart from a screwed up ballot system last time out, it is due to the unpopularity of the current labour government than anything nationalistic.

As mentioned Scotland does gain alot from its Union with English: But it is still 3rd behind London and Northern Ireland in money per head.

It is also necessary to have this money - our economy is not as strong as England and our views on Social welfare is much stronger than the Laissez-faire south.

I agree with all of that, although I would still argue there has been a slight increase in nationalism, even taking into account the shambolic voting system. The rise of the British Empire(s) certainly helped to integrate Scotland and Wales, so Britain became more British. At the minute, the Scots do well out of the Union, but they just don't need charity, as it were, because their economy is not brilliant, but because they've earned it as well. The majority of the innovations in Britain's imperialist era came from the Scots (and, to a lesser extent, Ireland), so Scotland does not need to feel red-faced about getting some extra money. It's been earned since 1707. Britain is stronger together.
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By EwanM
#69187
Yes there has always been a sense of nationality in Scotland. I think it has become more open, made more aware. But when it comes down to it I do not feel that we would leave the Union.

England have given so much to the Union - but so has its other partners. The union is fair and balanced - and long may it continue.


Also to note on Sky Sports - they talk utter balls the entire time anyways. Take the Euros this summer - they completely ignored that it was happening and just spoke about the county cricket.
:nono:
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By darwin dali
#69189
Well Chris, I didn't criticize the Union or Britain or whatever. All I wanted is to point out how ridiculous LH's statement was. And your little treatise about the history of it all, just confirmed my point. :thumbup:
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By racechick
#69190
What do you think about the discrepency in university fees between Scotland and England?
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By EwanM
#69191
Well Chris, I didn't criticize the Union or Britain or whatever. All I wanted is to point out how ridiculous LH's statement was. And your little treatise about the history of it all, just confirmed my point. :thumbup:


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