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Will McLaren win their appeal?

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#67324
The thing that bugs me is the fact that a drive through apparently costs you 25 seconds on the track. It just doesn't. :banghead:

Also, i can't believe some people actually voted 'yes', as if McLaren ever stood a chance on this one...


Regardless, that's the penalty handed out in all instances where the drive-through cannot be imposed due to it being too close to the end of the race. It's not like he's the only guy to receive it, as unfair as it was.
#67328
Ok, let's put this behind us...and watch some nice seasonfinal !

:rofl:

Yeah, whatever you say. Yet another championship tainted by the politicians. The FIA have brought shame to themselves, Formula One and its fans for this farcical and corrupt ruling. It's easy for the Tifosi to say this when their championship chances have been seriously boosted and whilst the chances of their rival has been dashed.

How long will Formula One teams allow Ferrari and the FIA to bully them before they decide that enough is enough. McLaren, Williams and Tyrell have challenged Ecclestone and the FIA in recent times and have been punished for doing so. If the teams presented a united front, however, the FIA and Ecclestone would be brought down a peg or two from their grimy towers. At the end of the day, without cars going round a track, they are buggered. The teams could start a series of their own. It may start off slightly smaller than what Formula One is today, but it would soon grow. If anything, it would grow bigger than Formula One, for there would be less political wheelings and dealings tarnishing the sporting value of the racing.

I'm afraid that I cannot agree that 'technically' this was the correct decision. The rules are a little grey in this area - as with so many others - but a precedent was set in last season's Japanese Grand Prix. The FIA tried to falsify evidence to suggest that Liuzzi's penalty was an error when in fact it was not - proof that the FIA realised they were in the wrong. What a disgusting act of perjury! Anybody who has studied political science or legal studies will know that law does not just come from what is written on a piece of legislative paper but that is also made by precedent. And even the most rabid dog on the street knows that the falsification of evidence is a morally-bankrupt abomination.

And what of the roles of Charlie Whiting and Alan Donnelly in all of this? In the 2005 Japanese Grand Prix, he informs Alonso that had to allow Klien to re-pass him. In the 2007 Japanese Grand Prix, he tells Ferrari to change their tyres after they attempted to circumvent the regulations. But in the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, he tells McLaren that what Hamilton did was within the rules. After this, the FIA suddenly declare that Whiting is not the authorities on theses matters and that McLaren had no business consulting him - completely defying everything that has gone on in the past in Formula One. The stewards are in charge says the FIA. The why was it that Donnelly was doing all the questioning in the "stewards'" inquiry? And it just wouldn't happen to be that Donnelly was appointed by Max Mosley to be his personal representative at Grands Prix. And it just wouldn't happen to be that the companies which Donnelly owns has as its clients the FIA and Ferrari.

It does not take Aristotle to work out what we have seen today, what we have seen before and we will see again in the future from the FIA.
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By scotty
#67333
The thing that bugs me is the fact that a drive through apparently costs you 25 seconds on the track. It just doesn't. :banghead:

Also, i can't believe some people actually voted 'yes', as if McLaren ever stood a chance on this one...


Regardless, that's the penalty handed out in all instances where the drive-through cannot be imposed due to it being too close to the end of the race. It's not like he's the only guy to receive it, as unfair as it was.


Thank you Captain Obvious... :P
#67338
From autosport.com:

Disappointed Hamilton ready to move on

By Pablo Elizalde Tuesday, September 23rd 2008, 14:59 GMT

Lewis Hamilton has promised to move on after McLaren's appeal against his Spa penalty was rejected by the FIA's Court of Appeal on Tuesday.

The Briton, who holds a one-point advantage over Ferrari rival Felipe Massa, admitted he was disappointed with the FIA's decision, but was ready to leave the controversy behind.

"People will probably expect me to be depressed about today's result, but that isn't me," said Hamilton in a statement. "All I want to do now is put this matter behind me and get on with what we drivers do best: racing each other.

"We're racers, we're naturally competitive, and we love to overtake. Overtaking is difficult, and it feels great when you manage to pull off a great passing manoeuvre. If it pleases the spectators and TV viewers, it's better still.

"So I'm disappointed, yes, but not depressed."

McLaren's F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh insisted that they thought the appeal should have been admissible.

"We are naturally disappointed with today's verdict, and to have received no ruling on the substance of our appeal," said Whitmarsh. "No one wants to win Grands Prix in court; but we felt that Lewis had won the Belgian Grand Prix, on track, in an exciting and impressive manner.

"Our legal team and witnesses calmly explained this, as well as our belief that the appeal should be admissible, to the FIA International Court of Appeal. It nonetheless decided that our appeal was inadmissible. We will now concentrate on the remaining four races of the 2008 Formula One season."

A Ferrari spokesman said the team would not comment on the verdict.
#67339
The thing that bugs me is the fact that a drive through apparently costs you 25 seconds on the track. It just doesn't. :banghead:

Also, i can't believe some people actually voted 'yes', as if McLaren ever stood a chance on this one...


Regardless, that's the penalty handed out in all instances where the drive-through cannot be imposed due to it being too close to the end of the race. It's not like he's the only guy to receive it, as unfair as it was.


Thank you Captain Obvious... :P


It's a habit. Do it all the time at work. Seems to work out fairly well most of the time :hehe:
#67341
With Lewis' rejection, I expect him in the next race to be a lot more ultra hyper aggressive- even to the point of turning his own car into a bump car I hope not. So watch out drivers, the bad boy is back- now with a vengeance! :twisted:
#67344
With Lewis' rejection, I expect him in the next race to be a lot more ultra hyper aggressive- even to the point of turning his own car into a bump car I hope not. So watch out drivers, the bad boy is back- now with a vengeance! :twisted:


Who will he try to drive over this time? :hehe:

No. I think he'll be a lot more composed this time round. I don't think there will be the same mistakes in the last couple of races as last year because he's been in the situation before and will be better-prepared for it.
#67360
Ok, let's put this behind us...and watch some nice seasonfinal !

:rofl:

:rofl: Yeah, whatever you say.


Dont you think that if Lewis is willing to put it behind him it should be good enough for his fans? I mean he is the one suffering the consequence's and not the fans?

Lewis Hamilton has promised to move on after McLaren's appeal against his Spa penalty was rejected by the FIA's Court of Appeal on Tuesday.

Sorry I forgot who I was asking, never mind! :hehe:
#67361
Well surprise, surprise without Cilla Black. :rolleyes:
#67380
Ok, let's put this behind us...and watch some nice seasonfinal !

:rofl:

:rofl: Yeah, whatever you say.


Dont you think that if Lewis is willing to put it behind him it should be good enough for his fans? I mean he is the one suffering the consequence's and not the fans?

Lewis Hamilton has promised to move on after McLaren's appeal against his Spa penalty was rejected by the FIA's Court of Appeal on Tuesday.

Sorry I forgot who I was asking, never mind! :hehe:

Well, as far as I'm concerned, I'll be focusing on the racing. But things like this are always on the back of my mind.
By juggles
#67393
If Mclaren won their case the FIA would have to admit they were wrong in the first place, if they lost the FIA would be seen to be bias. The A*seholes took the easy option of not having to make any decision.


Spot on. They took the cowardly back door. It's even worse this way than if the appeal had been admissable and the penalty not overturned. Gutless, spineless, corrupt, twisted. And everything else that pops up when you find those words in a Thesaurus.
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