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[McLaren Fan]

Well, we as well make a separate thread about this. We've heard all the arguments for and against whether the penalty was deserved or not, so this the chance to discuss what you think will happen. Do McLaren have a chance of getting their points back or not?

My own view is that McLaren have an excellent case, but I don't see the team being given back their points. The FIA don't lose too many appeals, the system of coming to a conclusion on these matters is biased towards Ferrari and Mosley's grudge match with Ron Dennis will continue. That said, I think Mosley could score a mighty P.R. coup if he gives McLaren back their points. At the minute, the FIA is seen to be a organisation that is consistently being inconsistent and making decisions which assist Ferrari's title challenges. On top of this, Mosley himself is seen as a womanising, Nazi adulterer who has no business still being the top dog in motorsport. If the FIA were to deliver a verdict in McLaren's favour, the FIA could claim that there is no conspiracy against McLaren, improve the image of the FIA and Formula One and Mosley himself could go from zero to hero by showing himself to be a man of action.

I really hope McLaren win this appeal, not just because the 2008 championships are at stake for the team, but also because of the history involved for McLaren. The team's first official Grand Prix came at the 1968 Belgian Grand Prix, when Bruce McLaren put in a great drive in the McLaren M7A. It was also Bruce McLaren's last ever Grand Prix victory. It would be a great tribute to Bruce McLaren and his team if they won the Belgian Grand Prix exactly forty years after he won it first.

[AKR]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care. And the real reason why I want the appeal to lose is not because I don't like McLaren, it is because I don't like Lewis Hamilton. He is an arrogant prick with a big usta (mouth) who doesn't deserve to win the title for this reason. Had this happened to Heikki, then for some reason I would of probably shared your view McLaren Fan, even though Ferrari and Massa do need the points.

[McLaren Fan]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care.

Well, that doesn't surprise me, AKR. At the end of the day, the decision should be based solely on whether or not Hamilton was right or wrong, not what you think about his personality.

[AKR]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care.

Well, that doesn't surprise me, AKR. At the end of the day, the decision should be based solely on whether or not Hamilton was right or wrong, not what you think about his personality.

Lewis Hamilton was wrong, that is why he was given the penalty in the first place. Hello there???????? The appeal is a waste of time. It should fail as expected.

[McLaren Fan]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care.

Well, that doesn't surprise me, AKR. At the end of the day, the decision should be based solely on whether or not Hamilton was right or wrong, not what you think about his personality.

Lewis Hamilton was wrong, that is why he was given the penalty in the first place. Hello there???????? The appeal is a waste of time. It should fail as expected.

You said Hamilton was in the right at the outset. You've only changed your mind because Hamilton claimed to be the moral champion of 2008.

[texasmr2]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care.

Well, that doesn't surprise me, AKR. At the end of the day, the decision should be based solely on whether or not Hamilton was right or wrong, not what you think about his personality.

[EwanM]

Mclaren deserve to have the appeal over turned. But something makes me think that the magic of Vettel winning and the prospects of a night race has kinda taken the edge off the Spa episode and shifted focus away from the general public. With this I wouldn't be surprised if the appeal is thrown out.

[bud]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care.

Well, that doesn't surprise me, AKR. At the end of the day, the decision should be based solely on whether or not Hamilton was right or wrong, not what you think about his personality.

Lewis Hamilton was wrong, that is why he was given the penalty in the first place. Hello there???????? The appeal is a waste of time. It should fail as expected.

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[AKR]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care.

Well, that doesn't surprise me, AKR. At the end of the day, the decision should be based solely on whether or not Hamilton was right or wrong, not what you think about his personality.

Lewis Hamilton was wrong, that is why he was given the penalty in the first place. Hello there???????? The appeal is a waste of time. It should fail as expected.

You said Hamilton was in the right at the outset. You've only changed your mind because Hamilton claimed to be the moral champion of 2008.

I never really said he was right. I only said it back then to shut you up because of the heat of the situation. Do you really think someone like me is going to back up Lewis Hamilton. Not even if you paid me Chris.

[Mikep99]

LEW WILL BEG F1 CHIEFS FOR POINTS U-TURN
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/motorsports/view/51745/Lew-will-beg-F1-chiefs-for-points-U-turn/

Lewis Hamilton is making a personal plea to get the points back he had snatched from him two weeks ago – to salvage his Formula One World Championship dream.

And he will delay jetting to Singapore to prepare for next Sunday’s Grand Prix to appeal before a Formula One jury in Paris tomorrow.

It is a crucial issue that could save him from a title slump.

Hammy, 23, is risking a hold-up on his vital acclimatisation in the Far East, to state his case for the re-instatement of the win that was handed to Ferrari’s Felipe Massa – after he was forced to cut a corner or crash out in the Belgian Grand Prix.
His championship lead has been slashed to just one point with four nail-biting races to go.

He wants his points cushion increased to seven, with the international jury’s rethink on the penalty that shocked him and his McLaren team.

The FIA, the sport’s rulemakers, have form for throwing out appeals and the pit-lane feeling is that Hamilton’s bid will fail – with McLaren likely to land a fine for insisting on the hearing.

The disgust over the original penalty, imposed by a panel of part-time stewards, was widely echoed.

Race legends including triple world champion Sir Jackie Stewart and Niki Lauda – a former Ferrari driver – slammed the judgement.

The fear behind the scenes in F1 is that the FIA – now dubbed Ferrari International Assistance – favour the Italian Prancing Horse outfit over Hamilton’s team.

McLaren boss Ron Dennis and Hamilton, with a back-up squad of lawyers, will take a private jet to Paris for the showdown.

Dennis feels that it is worth Hamilton sacrificing an early arrival in Singapore to put in a personal appearance.

And he said: “Lewis will be there. We could have presented a written statement from him but we feel it is important he attends.

“We’re a professional team and I don’t think there was ever a question of there not being sufficient reason for us to appeal.”

The Paris FIA HQ holds painful memories for Dennis.

It was the scene of his team’s £50million fine for their part in the Spygate Affair and the bitter wrangle with Ferrari.

[IceManpjn]

The history of McLaren? I don't really care. And the real reason why I want the appeal to lose is not because I don't like McLaren, it is because I don't like Lewis Hamilton. He is an arrogant prick with a big usta (mouth) who doesn't deserve to win the title for this reason. Had this happened to Heikki, then for some reason I would of probably shared your view McLaren Fan, even though Ferrari and Massa do need the points.

Unless I misread something, I thought the poll was asking if McLaren will win the appeal, and not whether or not each of us wants them to or thinks they should or should not. Disliking Hamilton should have nothing to do with it, either. It's a matter of whether the penalty was right or wrong, and not whether or not Hamilton is a douchebag. He wasn't penalized for being unlikeable, but for an incident with a chicane. The answer to whether the penalty was right or wrong should be the same no matter who had been in that particular scenario, rather than based on the likability of the driver that happened to be there.

[AKR]

LEW WILL BEG F1 CHIEFS FOR POINTS U-TURN
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/motorsports/view/51745/Lew-will-beg-F1-chiefs-for-points-U-turn/

Lewis Hamilton is making a personal plea to get the points back he had snatched from him two weeks ago – to salvage his Formula One World Championship dream.

And he will delay jetting to Singapore to prepare for next Sunday’s Grand Prix to appeal before a Formula One jury in Paris tomorrow.

It is a crucial issue that could save him from a title slump.

Hammy, 23, is risking a hold-up on his vital acclimatisation in the Far East, to state his case for the re-instatement of the win that was handed to Ferrari’s Felipe Massa – after he was forced to cut a corner or crash out in the Belgian Grand Prix.
His championship lead has been slashed to just one point with four nail-biting races to go.

He wants his points cushion increased to seven, with the international jury’s rethink on the penalty that shocked him and his McLaren team.

The FIA, the sport’s rulemakers, have form for throwing out appeals and the pit-lane feeling is that Hamilton’s bid will fail – with McLaren likely to land a fine for insisting on the hearing.

The disgust over the original penalty, imposed by a panel of part-time stewards, was widely echoed.

Race legends including triple world champion Sir Jackie Stewart and Niki Lauda – a former Ferrari driver – slammed the judgement.

The fear behind the scenes in F1 is that the FIA – now dubbed Ferrari International Assistance – favour the Italian Prancing Horse outfit over Hamilton’s team.

McLaren boss Ron Dennis and Hamilton, with a back-up squad of lawyers, will take a private jet to Paris for the showdown.

Dennis feels that it is worth Hamilton sacrificing an early arrival in Singapore to put in a personal appearance.

And he said: “Lewis will be there. We could have presented a written statement from him but we feel it is important he attends.

“We’re a professional team and I don’t think there was ever a question of there not being sufficient reason for us to appeal.”

The Paris FIA HQ holds painful memories for Dennis.

It was the scene of his team’s £50million fine for their part in the Spygate Affair and the bitter wrangle with Ferrari.

I hope not only does the appeal fail but because of it that they also get further fines on top. The penalty was given for a reason. At Monza Lewis Hamilton should of gotten more penalties for his reckless driving towards Glock, Alonso and Mark Webber but escaped it there. He needs to ne taught a valuable lesson that he is not the only one on the race track and to learn consideration and respect towards the other drivers and that he is not the king and that it is not all about his stupid dream. I am quite sure the other drivers out there also have a dream to become world champion and most of them have earned their respect by for starters not being tossed right into one of the best teams and 2, not having the biggest mouths and arrogance combined one has ever seen. And if he fails to learn from this I hope he gets even more penalties and makes more mistakes in desperation.

[bud]

I hope lewis wins it this year just so you stfu akr

[AKR]

I hope lewis wins it this year just so you stfu akr

Hope now that is an interesting concept. You can hope and pray all you want Bud, but it wont change the fact that Lewis Hamilton is reckless, inconsiderate and arrogant and the penalty should hopefully stand. (Now I am using the "Hope" word as well). Lewis Hamilton has no right to win the title given these circumstances. Stuff him. Even if he was at Ferrari, who gives him the right to just come along and drive the best cars. Massa had to wait. So did Kimi before he eventually won, and Michael Schumacher and Mika Hakkinnen etc etc etc. Long live the penalty, impose more on Lewis Hamilton if need be.

[bud]

Typical Ferrari lamb can't beat them then ban them