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[Matkins]

Moesly makes me madder and madder. I can't beleive how ignorant the man is. He's saying that the team should tell the driver what to do. Does he mean the team have to guess? "the team" being McLaren, because pretty much every other team gets told by race control where advantage needs to be conceeded back or not. And him complaining that this one little incident is wasting hours of his time. Time he could be spending getting spanked by some hooker in a nazi outfit. What a great shame for you Mr Mosely, i'm crying for you i really am.

[texasmr2]

Moesly makes me madder and madder. I can't beleive how ignorant the man is. He's saying that the team should tell the driver what to do. Does he mean the team have to guess? "the team" being McLaren, because pretty much every other team gets told by race control where advantage needs to be conceeded back or not. And him complaining that this one little incident is wasting hours of his time. Time he could be spending getting spanked by some hooker in a nazi outfit. What a great shame for you Mr Mosely, i'm crying for you i really am.

I agree that it is Mosley who it seem's to be hellbent on running the FIA and F1 into the ground, it is not the team's being against each other it's the decision's made by Max and his dictatorship ruling over the FIA. I honestly think for the overall good of F1 and it's future if he does not resign this coming season he should be removed from office.

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

Hamilton: I hope judges see the truth

By Jonathan Noble Monday, September 22nd 2008, 18:00 GMT

Lewis Hamilton flew out of Paris on his way to Singapore on Monday night saying he hoped the judges at the FIA International Court of Appeal had seen the 'truth' after their lengthy hearing into the Belgian Grand Prix controversy.

Hamilton testified at length about his version of events at Spa-Francorchamps in front of the five judges, and at one stage got into an exchange with Ferrari counsel Nigel Tozzi QC.

And as he left the court, Hamilton said he would not worry tonight about what decision the judges will come to when they deliver their verdict tomorrow morning.

"Whatever happens I am not worried either way," he said. "I just hope the judges see the truth. I am a racing driver, driven by excellence. It's what I do. It's what I enjoy doing. I am now just going to focus on my next race and hopefully winning there.

"At the moment, as I see it, I am one point ahead and that's how I will go into it."

Hamilton had only been called up to testify in the afternoon, with the morning's session dominated by talk between lawyers about whether the appeal was admissible.

When he was called up to give his account of the events, Hamilton stood his ground when cross-examined by Tozzi.

And at one stage, when angered about some comments regarding his behaviour, Hamilton said to Tozzi: "Are you a racing driver? No!

"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book, and that's why I'm the best at my job. We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no-one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend."

The court looked at detailed video footage of the incident to try and get a better understanding of the situation.

Hamilton remarked: "Your heart is battling whilst you are racing.

"The last thing I wanted to do is crash into him. When you have gone so far, you want to finish the race. We had a great battle and there was no need to take stupid risks, so I had to cut the chicane.

"I've since studied the footage about 10 times and I can remember it vividly like it was yesterday. I believe I then gave the advantage back. I honestly, hand on heart feel I did so."

The five judges preciding over the case - Xavier Conesa (Spain), Philippe Narmino (Monaco), Erich Sedelmayer (Austria), Harry Duijm (Netherlands) and Thierry Julliard (Switzerland) will spend this evening deliberating on their verdict.

They will first of all have to decide if the appeal was admissible in the first place.

According to FIA regulations, drive-through penalties are not subject to appeal, but McLaren's QC Mark Phillips has argued that this case should revolve simply around the time penalty as there was no way to serve the drive-through.

Only if the judges rule that the appeal is valid will they then deliberate over their view on whether Hamilton did gain an advantage by cutting the chicane.

Hamilton admitted to an element of relief when he left the court, as he headed for a flight to Singapore via Zurich.

"It was long and intense," he explained. "I said what was on my mind because in that position you can be talked down to. But by no means am I an idiot. I had a right to my opinion.

"But I am very, very proud of my team because I am amazed at how much work and attention to detail went into it.

"There were much better things I could have done with my day, like prepare for the next grand prix in Singapore, but today was a very important issue.

"I was unfortunately penalised, so it was good to come here and put our point of view, as well as listen to other people's opinions."

[Denthúl]

I agree with his opinion, but his words are inappropriate for where he is. You wouldn't speak like that in a cour of law in front of a judge, so a court of appeal should be no different. They're all supposed to be professional people, even if we know that some of them are not...

[juggles]

There was a quote from a McLaren lawyer a few pages back about how Lewis was much faster than Kimi in the wet, so it was a matter of 'when,' not 'if' he got past him. I'm not sure that's relevant. You can't speak hypothetically in a law court, so I think they should be sticking to the facts, because they speak for themselves. Just looking at what actually did happen it's clear he deserves to be given the race win back. The lost points were never actually why I felt sorry for Lewis, it was the lost Spa win. How many chances will he get for one of those in his career, especially at a normally Ferrari dominated track? The most coveted wins in the current F1 calendar as I see it are Monaco, Silverstone, Spa and Monza. I'm pretty sure those are the 4 he'll most want. Seems cruel to take one of those wins away after he drove so well to claim it. Come on you Ferrari Inclined Assholes, give us something to believe in again.

[AKR]

Hamilton clashed with a Ferrari lawyer during the proceedings when being cross-examined blasting, "Are you a racing driver? No! I've been a racing driver since I was eight, and I know pretty much every single move in the book, and that's why I'm the best at my job."[/i]

Lewis opens his big mouth yet again

This is the very reason why I want the appeal to not be successful. It is Lewis Hamilton's big mouth. He doesn't deserve to be world champion let alone in the McLaren number 1 seat. Yes I dislike McLaren and yes I understand this penalty is bad for the sport, but if needs to be done to stop Lewis Hamilton then let the penalty stand.

[8-ball]

"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book, and that's why I'm the best at my job. We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no-one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend.

I did not see those split second decisions from Lewis when he crashed into the back of Kimi under a red light. He is right when he says that none of the people at the FIA have never even sat in an F1 car let alone driven one but if he loses his appeal it will probably because he pissed of the board with his arrogance

[bud]

FIA giving ammunition to its critics?
23/09/2008
Those - and there are many - who believe that there is anti-McLaren bias within the FIA, will be paying close attention to events in Paris.

However, it is not the final outcome of the appeal against Lewis Hamilton's Spa penalty which is of interest - since it is almost certain to go against the Woking team - but revelations regarding last season's Japanese GP.

In the race, Tonio Liuzzi was given a time penalty for overtaking Adrian Sutil under a yellow flag. However, the Italian and his team (Toro Rosso) was subsequently successful in appealing the penalty.

At yesterday's hearing, McLaren claimed that FIA officials deliberately misrepresented the opinion of Tony Scott Andrews, the chief steward at the Fuji race, and the man for imposing the original penalty.

The Woking team claims that last Friday, its lawyers received an e-mail from the FIA stating that Scott Andrews subsequently admitted to being wrong to impose the penalty on Liuzzi, and that he later said so in a telephone conversation with (Race Director) Charlie Whiting.

With McLaren's case very much resting on the precedent set by the Japan appeal, McLaren's legal people talked to Scott Andrews at the weekend - he was officiating at an event at Brands Hatch - and shown the FIA's e-mail. He is said to have admitted to being surprised by the e-mail, describing it as "inaccurate" and misleading".

Scott Andrews claims that he was never asked if he had made a mistake and if he had been asked the answer would have been "no" - the opposite of what the FIA claims in its e-mail.

In his closing speech yesterday, McLaren's lawyer, Mark Phillips QC, referring to the FIA's e-mail and it implications, said; "I ask you to reflect on that when you come to consider the way in which certain members of the FIA conducted themselves. I won't say any more than that."

While he might not be saying any more, one can be sure that this is not the last we have heard of the matter.

[AKR]

AKR.... you can join the FIA team. They're all stupido. I can tell you love your f__ckin FERRARI. Both your drivers no match to Hamilton. I am not fan of Hamilton but, he's a freakin good driver and accept that.

Ferrari = FIA

LOL! hahahahhahaha

Kimi Raikkonen is better than Lewis Hamilton, your smart ex McLaren driver might I add. He has just had a bad season and because of this I have been inclined to back Felipe Massa. Remember this your so called better Lewis Hamilton hasn't won a world championship yet. Kimi has so stick that up your . And by the end of this year Lewis Hamilton wont be world champion either because Massa will win it even though as you say it he is not as good as Lewis Hamilton and further bad news for you is that the better Kimi Raikkonen will bounce back next year and win that at the expense of Lewis Hamilton. If Kimi Raikkonen hadn't had all the bad luck he has had this year, he would of probably have won the title by now easily.

[McLaren Fan]

This is the very reason why I want the appeal to not be successful. It is Lewis Hamilton's big mouth. He doesn't deserve to be world champion let alone in the McLaren number 1 seat. Yes I dislike McLaren and yes I understand this penalty is bad for the sport, but if needs to be done to stop Lewis Hamilton then let the penalty stand.

That's not what you said yesterday. Changed your tune again, then?

[8-ball]

Kimi Raikkonen is better than Lewis Hamilton, your smart ex McLaren driver might I add. He has just had a bad season and because of this I have been inclined to back Felipe Massa. Remember this your so called better Lewis Hamilton hasn't won a world championship yet. Kimi has so stick that up your . And by the end of this year Lewis Hamilton wont be world champion either because Massa will win it even though as you say it he is not as good as Lewis Hamilton and further bad news for you is that the better Kimi Raikkonen will bounce back next year and win that at the expense of Lewis Hamilton. If Kimi Raikkonen hadn't had all the bad luck he has had this year, he would of probably have won the title by now easily.

remind me not to get on your bad side...

sheesh!

[bud]

she is an angry little elf!

[AKR]

she is an angry little elf!

You want to call me an elf now do you. Ok then you angry ugly evil McLaren ork!



Bud the Evil Angry Ork.

[juggles]

...aaaaanyway...

There was a good feature on 5Live this morning about the penalty and the likelihood of a successful appeal, went on for about 45 mins. They had Eddie Jordan and Damon Hill at various times; the former has a gut feeling that the appeal will be successful, the latter just said that it was the wrong decision in racing terms. There was a Geordie on the program at one point who said if there had been a tyre wall where there was a run-off area at the bus stop, Hamilton would never have come in so fast, as it was inevitable that he'd get squeezed into the barrier. But then another caller argued that had there been a tyre wall and had Hamilton still moved to go round the outside of Raikkonen, Kimi would've given him the space to drive around the inside of the corner to avoid the risk of tangling with Hamilton and both of them being taken out. Hadn't heard this element to the debate before, was quite interesting.

Still awaiting the result of the appeal with baited breath

[texasmr2]

How soon before we get an answer if the appeal was won or not?