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[FerrariFan63]

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

His credentials aren't as good as Todts. Todt has had racing success in more formulae. He has managed a team which has won championships in the last decade. And he has shown that he can work with the FIA, something Dennis hasn't.

[bud]

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

His credentials aren't as good as Todts. Todt has had racing success in more formulae. He has managed a team which has won championships in the last decade. And he has shown that he can work with the FIA, something Dennis hasn't.

did Dennis just jump straight into F1? just because he wasnt involved in Rally doesnt mean he hasnt had success in other formulae!

to be honest Ron has laid out some good ideas for the future of F1 in a speech to his peers earlier this year. So i agree with McLaren Fan but in saying that i do not think Ron would even consider being head of the FIA he is McLaren for life! Todt is also Ferrari for life, but i think he would consider being the head of the FIA theres the difference

[Kiwi_Chris]

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

His credentials aren't as good as Todts. Todt has had racing success in more formulae. He has managed a team which has won championships in the last decade. And he has shown that he can work with the FIA, something Dennis hasn't.

Of course not Ron wasnt a F1 Mecahninc for Jochen Rindt or ran a successful BMW procar team in the 80's or anything.....
Todt has done wonders for Ferrari but Ron did the same thing years earlier at Mclaren- rebuilt a great team that was in the doldrums

[8-ball]

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

His credentials aren't as good as Todts. Todt has had racing success in more formulae. He has managed a team which has won championships in the last decade. And he has shown that he can work with the FIA, something Dennis hasn't.

Of course not Ron wasnt a F1 Mecahninc for Jochen Rindt or ran a successful BMW procar team in the 80's or anything.....
Todt has done wonders for Ferrari but Ron did the same thing years earlier at Mclaren- rebuilt a great team that was in the doldrums

I have always said that Todt's success at Ferrari was down to Ross Brawn and it was really Ross that engineered Ferrari's success. All Todt did was hire him and Schumacher, sit back and let them work the magic.

[bud]

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

His credentials aren't as good as Todts. Todt has had racing success in more formulae. He has managed a team which has won championships in the last decade. And he has shown that he can work with the FIA, something Dennis hasn't.

Of course not Ron wasnt a F1 Mecahninc for Jochen Rindt or ran a successful BMW procar team in the 80's or anything.....
Todt has done wonders for Ferrari but Ron did the same thing years earlier at Mclaren- rebuilt a great team that was in the doldrums

I have always said that Todt's success at Ferrari was down to Ross Brawn and it was really Ross that engineered Ferrari's success. All Todt did was hire him and Schumacher, sit back and let them work the magic.

not true he won all the off track races for Ferrari

[bud]

Someone posted this on a karting site i go on thought some might find it funny

Got a Ferrari?

Not quite good enough at driving?

Are other boys faster than you in the wet?

Then you need:

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1. Anti overtaking assurance
Been overtaken? Feel a bit silly? Don't worry, we will rule out the other party even if it's embarrassingly obvious that they're faster than you

2; Exclusive access to a secret second lane in the pits
Just to make things a little bit easier we've arranged a private second lane just for you

3; Guaranteed world championship?
Had a crash? Need to win the world championship? Don't worry just limp across the track and take off your nearest championship title contender - we will do the rest

4; A bit strapped? Need extra cash?
Simply get one of your team to tell someone else how you make your cars.

5; Bits falling off your car? Looking a bit dangerous?
At Ferrari International Assistance we operate a blind eye policy just for Ferrari drivers

6; Been a bit silly? Taken off another driver whilst following the safety car?
It's ok, as long as you didn't hurt yourself. I mean, who are Force India anyway? And how dare they get in front of you

7; A bit bored? Want some extra action?
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8; Not sure when you might need us next?
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[racechick]

Someone posted this on a karting site i go on thought some might find it funny

Got a Ferrari?

Not quite good enough at driving?

Are other boys faster than you in the wet?

Then you need:

Ferrari International Assistance (FIA)

This exclusive Ferrari only membership club has many benefits. Including:

1. Anti overtaking assurance
Been overtaken? Feel a bit silly? Don't worry, we will rule out the other party even if it's embarrassingly obvious that they're faster than you

2; Exclusive access to a secret second lane in the pits
Just to make things a little bit easier we've arranged a private second lane just for you

3; Guaranteed world championship?
Had a crash? Need to win the world championship? Don't worry just limp across the track and take off your nearest championship title contender - we will do the rest

4; A bit strapped? Need extra cash?
Simply get one of your team to tell someone else how you make your cars.

5; Bits falling off your car? Looking a bit dangerous?
At Ferrari International Assistance we operate a blind eye policy just for Ferrari drivers

6; Been a bit silly? Taken off another driver whilst following the safety car?
It's ok, as long as you didn't hurt yourself. I mean, who are Force India anyway? And how dare they get in front of you

7; A bit bored? Want some extra action?
With FIA plus you can take part in a number of additional membership activities

8; Not sure when you might need us next?
Relax. Check out our track record. We're confident that we will be able to make something up on the spot that will get you out of any pickle that you might find yourself in

Absolutely BRILLIANT!!

[csrracer]

The aftermath of Spa unfortunately shows how biased FIA is towards Ferrari, I've watched the race at Spa a few times after the decision to try and find out how bad they actually were and here are some points I have come up with on how biased that decision was. Kimi on 3 occasions while fighting with Hamilton went all 4 wheels off into the run off areas (outside of the turns) where the pavement is very coarse, but provides better traction in the wet, to accelerate harder out of the turns. (This is the reason Hamilton was so much faster than him at the end of the race, the Mclaren was much faster coming off the turns.) Kimi of course gets no penalty. Yes Hamilton does cut the chicane, but if you watch them going into that turn in slow motion you can see Kimi flick the steering wheel to the left, causing Hamilton to go off course, Also Kimi's front wheels are not at full lock to the right meaning Kimi purposely ran him off the road. The cars were even going in to the turn, Hamilton may have even been a head by a wing, and I'm sure Kimi knew that the only way to keep Hamilton behind was to run him off the road (He did it to his own teammate at the start of the race).No Penalty!!! The clincher to me is that Kimi passed Hamilton under a yellow... Since when is this not a penalty! When Lewis was leading into turn 12, there are yellow flags waiving throughout the turn, Hamilton takes to the grass to avoid the Whilliams and Kimi.(Kimi was diving under Hamilton to try to pass under a local yellow). Kimi then takes advantage of this to take the lead. Granted there was not enough laps left in the race for a drive through penalty and a 25 second penalty would do no damage since he did not finish the race,but what about grid position for the next race. I'm sure a penalty against Ferrari at Monza would not have gone over to well.
If you take into account the other races this season there are other incidents with Ferrari that go unnoticed. Kimi running into Sutil at Monaco, Looks exactly like what Kovalinan did at Spa yet no Ferrari Penalty, Kimi running over one of his Mechanics in the pits a $5000. fine no loss of grid position??? Masa hitting a force India car pulling out of the pits I think that was France no penalty???
The Governing body of F1 needs to get their act together, Charlie Whiting needs to grow some balls and put the "Invited Guest race officials " in their place . If Charlie Whiting told Mclaren that Lewis was "OK" twice he should be a man about it and overturn their poor decision. Let the teams and the Drivers decide on the track who wins the races and the championship, not some inexperienced invited idiots who have no Formula 1 experience. By the way did you catch the quote from the race official from Kenya He said to the press after Spa I may not be welcome in England, But I can walk into any restaurant in Italy and eat dinner for free....

[Denthúl]

If you take into account the other races this season there are other incidents with Ferrari that go unnoticed. Kimi running into Sutil at Monaco, Looks exactly like what Kovalinan did at Spa yet no Ferrari Penalty, Kimi running over one of his Mechanics in the pits a $5000. fine no loss of grid position??? Masa hitting a force India car pulling out of the pits I think that was France no penalty???

Raikkonen lost his car on a wet patch going slowly behind the safety car. Cold tyres yield less grip, which is much worse in the wet than it is in the dry. Kovalainen simply wasn't decisive about the pass and, when he finally made up his mind, still wasn't sure and made only a half-hearted attempt.

There was no fine for Raikkonen hitting a mechanic. I can't ever remember there being any kind of penalty for hitting one of your own pit crew and it has happened a fair few times over the past ten years. Nakajima hit a guy in Brazil last season - you didn't see a penalty there, either.

Massa's unsafe release from the pits was merely a repeat of incidents that have happened all season long and involved most teams down the pit lane. No penalties were handed out for those, so I don't see it fit that Massa should have been penalised for it. Please don't bring up the GP2 incidents - that's a different series. The stewards were entirely consistent with what has gone on in Formula 1 this year.

[7UpJordan]

Someone posted this on a karting site i go on thought some might find it funny

Got a Ferrari?

Not quite good enough at driving?

Are other boys faster than you in the wet?

Then you need:

Ferrari International Assistance (FIA)

This exclusive Ferrari only membership club has many benefits. Including:

1. Anti overtaking assurance
Been overtaken? Feel a bit silly? Don't worry, we will rule out the other party even if it's embarrassingly obvious that they're faster than you

2; Exclusive access to a secret second lane in the pits
Just to make things a little bit easier we've arranged a private second lane just for you

3; Guaranteed world championship?
Had a crash? Need to win the world championship? Don't worry just limp across the track and take off your nearest championship title contender - we will do the rest

4; A bit strapped? Need extra cash?
Simply get one of your team to tell someone else how you make your cars.

5; Bits falling off your car? Looking a bit dangerous?
At Ferrari International Assistance we operate a blind eye policy just for Ferrari drivers

6; Been a bit silly? Taken off another driver whilst following the safety car?
It's ok, as long as you didn't hurt yourself. I mean, who are Force India anyway? And how dare they get in front of you

7; A bit bored? Want some extra action?
With FIA plus you can take part in a number of additional membership activities

8; Not sure when you might need us next?
Relax. Check out our track record. We're confident that we will be able to make something up on the spot that will get you out of any pickle that you might find yourself in

That gave me a good laugh, especially the Force India part.

[csrracer]

Raikkonen lost his car on a wet patch going slowly behind the safety car. Cold tyres yield less grip, which is much worse in the wet than it is in the dry

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So than it's OK to hit the car in front of you when you aren't racing for position, behind the safety car, but you should be penalized during a race under race conditions. Does this make sense to anyone other than Ferrari fans or is it just me?
According to the race stewarts Hamilton was penalized for not staying on the racing track and gaining track position.
Kimi does this 3 times and does not get penalized, He also clearly passes under a local yellow flag, and still gets no penalty.
how can you say this is unbiased?

[McLaren Fan]

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

His credentials aren't as good as Todts. Todt has had racing success in more formulae. He has managed a team which has won championships in the last decade. And he has shown that he can work with the FIA, something Dennis hasn't.

Well, I, and others it would seem, disagree with that. I was not seriously suggesting Ron Dennis anyway. As much as I feel he is an honourable man, there is still the chance he would be biased and many would perceive him to be biased, so there is no way he could be President of the FIA.

Someone posted this on a karting site i go on thought some might find it funny

Got a Ferrari?

Not quite good enough at driving?

Are other boys faster than you in the wet?

Then you need:

Ferrari International Assistance (FIA)

This exclusive Ferrari only membership club has many benefits. Including:

1. Anti overtaking assurance
Been overtaken? Feel a bit silly? Don't worry, we will rule out the other party even if it's embarrassingly obvious that they're faster than you

2; Exclusive access to a secret second lane in the pits
Just to make things a little bit easier we've arranged a private second lane just for you

3; Guaranteed world championship?
Had a crash? Need to win the world championship? Don't worry just limp across the track and take off your nearest championship title contender - we will do the rest

4; A bit strapped? Need extra cash?
Simply get one of your team to tell someone else how you make your cars.

5; Bits falling off your car? Looking a bit dangerous?
At Ferrari International Assistance we operate a blind eye policy just for Ferrari drivers

6; Been a bit silly? Taken off another driver whilst following the safety car?
It's ok, as long as you didn't hurt yourself. I mean, who are Force India anyway? And how dare they get in front of you

7; A bit bored? Want some extra action?
With FIA plus you can take part in a number of additional membership activities

8; Not sure when you might need us next?
Relax. Check out our track record. We're confident that we will be able to make something up on the spot that will get you out of any pickle that you might find yourself in

[Denthúl]

Raikkonen lost his car on a wet patch going slowly behind the safety car. Cold tyres yield less grip, which is much worse in the wet than it is in the dry

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So than it's OK to hit the car in front of you when you aren't racing for position, behind the safety car, but you should be penalized during a race under race conditions. Does this make sense to anyone other than Ferrari fans or is it just me?
According to the race stewarts Hamilton was penalized for not staying on the racing track and gaining track position.
Kimi does this 3 times and does not get penalized, He also clearly passes under a local yellow flag, and still gets no penalty.
how can you say this is unbiased?

I'm sorry, but it just was not a penalty-warranting incident. There have been countless times where drivers have hit other cars and not been penalised for exactly the same reason. Hamilton hitting the back of Alonso in Bahrain. He spoiled two drivers' chances of a good result there. But it was merely a racing incident, not something that should have been handed a penalty.

When Hamilton got penalised for missing the red light in Canada and running in to the back of Raikkonen, suddenly everyone was calling for Raikkonen to have been penalised for the incident in Monaco, but they were two different things completely. One was a lack of complete concentration on your surroundings (i.e. not realising that the red light was showing, or that the two cars in front had slowed (in time)). The other was a guy losing his car in dry/wet conditions, where it is hard to see where the track is dry and where it is still a little damp. Add cooler tyres to that mix and you can see why.

I did not say that judgements have been made in an unbiased way, merely that all the points you brought up were situations that did not warrant a penalty or that you were comparing them to completely different scenarios.

[McLaren Fan]

I agree. Hamilton's accident in Canada was appalling and deserved punishment. Raikkonen taking out Sutil was a racing incident. Sometimes these things happen, particularly in the wet on street circuits.

[csrracer]

I agree. Hamilton's accident in Canada was appalling and deserved punishment. Raikkonen taking out Sutil was a racing incident. Sometimes these things happen, particularly in the wet on street circuits.

I agree with Hamilton's penalty in Canada. I'm a huge fan of his but I know that was a stupid judgement call on his part and yes he should have been penalized. Raikkonen in Monaco is very similar to Kovalinan at Spa a bad judgement in slick conditions both driver's made stupid mistakes the Mclaren gets penalized the Ferrari does not.
Regardless of any other races, Kimi was racing while off the race track 3 times at Spa and he received no penalties. He also passed under a local yellow flag 2nd last lap turn 12 and still received no penalty, How is this unbiased? FIA need to throw out their "guest race stewart" policy and have 4 qualified stewarts with F1 experience that travel to every race to make these types of decisions. Let the race and championship be won by the fastest driver and the fastest car, not have the races or season championship decided by some guest Stewarts with no F1 experience.