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[bud]

Charlie Whiting said it was a good move, therefore legal they way I look at it. If this is not resolved in favor of McLaren, Lewis should sit the next race out in protest and let Pedro drive. I would only want him to do that if he had a bigger point lead, but lead, but enough is enough. I would suggest he switch to NASCAR, but it may be worse for a black man there.

Right now I am furious and I can't seem to think rationally about McLaren and Lewis' situation. Frankly I feel defeated. If it come to him losing the championship by a few points then I will know what it all about.

I am furious as well mate i am at an end with Formula Ferrari!! but what else is there to watch for open wheelers? Indycar is closest but i do not like ovals! A1 pfff powered by Ferrari f*** off!!!!!
end of the season if Lewis loses the title by those 6 points he rightly earned ON TRACK and was robbed of then even though the history books will say Massa is champion even though he gets the trophy everyone will know who the real champion is!

[Bigpip]

you didnt see schumi win in the UK in 98 taking his drive though on the last lap crossing the finish line in the pitlane

Absolutely. One rule for Ferrari, another for everyone else.

[McLaren Fan]

end of the season if Lewis loses the title by those 6 points he rightly earned ON TRACK and was robbed of then even though the history books will say Massa is champion even though he gets the trophy everyone will know who the real champion is!

Exactly. For the moment, as far as I'm concerned, Hamilton and McLaren won the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, no matter what the FIA say.

[f1maniac95]

I voted no it was a racing incident and not Hamilton gaining an advantage he did'nt have enough room to go round the only way he could not crash into Kimi was by cutting across the chicane and when he gained the place he gave it back to Kimi.

[texasmr2]

I would suggest he switch to NASCAR, but it may be worse for a black man there.

Lewis would not be the first driver of african-american decent to race in NASCAR and the racist overtone's of your comment are ludicrous and quite frankly offensive to this american.

NASCAR has long struggled with its efforts to foster diversity and encourage young minorities to embrace the sport. NASCAR is over 50 years old and in that time only three African-Americans have made it to NASCAR's top series. Here is a look back at African-Americans in NASCAR.
Wendell Scott 1961-1973

Wendell Scott became the very first African-American to start a NASCAR race when he took the green flag on March 4th, 1961 in Spartanberg, SC. Unfortunately, Wendell had engine problems that day and did not finish.

Not only was Wendell Scott the first and most prolific of all African-Americans in the sport but also the most successful. Scott went on to start a total of 495 races in NASCAR's top series from 1961 through 1973. Wendell is also the only African-American to date to score a win. On December 1st 1963 he took the checkered flag first at Speedway Park in Jacksonville, FL.

Wendell Scott also managed four consecutive top ten points finishes. Scott finished no worse than tenth in the final standings from 1966 to 1969.

Willy T. Ribbs 1986

There were no African-Americans in NASCAR from 1973 until Willy T. Ribbs started three races in 1986. Willy's first race was at North Wilkesboro Speedway on April 20th, 1986. That was the only race that he finished in his short career as he finished thirteen laps down in 22nd.

Willy T Ribbs started two more races that year for DiGard racing but he suffered engine failure in both of those races.

Bill Lester 2006-?

Bill Lester got one Busch Series start in 1999 but didn't land a full-time NASCAR ride right away. Lester started racing full-time in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck series in 2002.

Bill Lester finally made his first NASCAR Sprint Cup series start in 2006 when Bill Davis put him in a car for the 2006 Golden Corral 500 at Atlanta Motor Speedway in March.

Lester has more opportunities to start in 2006 for Bill Davis. There is no word yet as to Bill Lester's potential future in NASCAR Sprint Cup racing.

What's Next For NASCAR?

NASCAR wants to encourage more minority involvement in racing. This would help them to reach a huge portion of the population that has not yet embraced the sport. But in over fifty years of racing they have not made much progress.

[Stealthgate007]

I would suggest he switch to NASCAR, but it may be worse for a black man there.

Lewis would not be the first driver of african-american decent to race in NASCAR and the racist overtone's of your comment are ludicrous and quite frankly offensive to this american.

NASCAR has long struggled with its efforts to foster diversity and encourage young minorities to embrace the sport. NASCAR is over 50 years old and in that time only three African-Americans have made it to NASCAR's top series. Here is a look back at African-Americans in NASCAR.
Wendell Scott 1961-1973

Wendell Scott became the very first African-American to start a NASCAR race when he took the green flag on March 4th, 1961 in Spartanberg, SC. Unfortunately, Wendell had engine problems that day and did not finish.

Not only was Wendell Scott the first and most prolific of all African-Americans in the sport but also the most successful. Scott went on to start a total of 495 races in NASCAR's top series from 1961 through 1973. Wendell is also the only African-American to date to score a win. On December 1st 1963 he took the checkered flag first at Speedway Park in Jacksonville, FL.

Wendell Scott also managed four consecutive top ten points finishes. Scott finished no worse than tenth in the final standings from 1966 to 1969.

Willy T. Ribbs 1986

There were no African-Americans in NASCAR from 1973 until Willy T. Ribbs started three races in 1986. Willy's first race was at North Wilkesboro Speedway on April 20th, 1986. That was the only race that he finished in his short career as he finished thirteen laps down in 22nd.

Willy T Ribbs started two more races that year for DiGard racing but he suffered engine failure in both of those races.

Bill Lester 2006-?

Bill Lester got one Busch Series start in 1999 but didn't land a full-time NASCAR ride right away. Lester started racing full-time in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck series in 2002.

Bill Lester finally made his first NASCAR Sprint Cup series start in 2006 when Bill Davis put him in a car for the 2006 Golden Corral 500 at Atlanta Motor Speedway in March.

Lester has more opportunities to start in 2006 for Bill Davis. There is no word yet as to Bill Lester's potential future in NASCAR Sprint Cup racing.

What's Next For NASCAR?

NASCAR wants to encourage more minority involvement in racing. This would help them to reach a huge portion of the population that has not yet embraced the sport. But in over fifty years of racing they have not made much progress.

Being a black man that has followed NASCAR, I know the history a bit, and it wasn't wine and roses for Wendel Scott in that particular period in American history. However, my intent was not to offend anyone Tex. This is not the forum to discuss social issues on and I should have chose my words a little more carefully. And I will do that from here on out.

[AKR]

Read this. Looks like Ferrari did protest, as I suspected would of been the case from Domenicali's shifty words earlier.

From F1 News.....

Ferrari Lodges Official Protest Over Hamilton Incident

Lewis Hamilton's victory at the Belgian grand prix has been thrown into doubt, with news not only that stewards are probing an incident, but also that Ferrari has lodged an official protest.

Shortly after the championship leader took the chequered flag at the end of a frenetic finish to the 44-lap race at Spa-Francorchamps, it emerged that FIA officials would investigate his earlier battle with Kimi Raikkonen.

While the stewards are probing the Bus Stop chicane and La Source incident, it is believed Ferrari have also taken exception to a separate element of Hamilton's racing tactics.


I don't know what to say here. They did see something (Ferrari) and thus the Stewards acted accordingly. It could be wrong what Ferrari has done but it seems these days that everyone is attacking Ferrari for everything. It isn't right. I remember posting something here about Ayrton Senna delibratly taking out Prost on the first corner of the 1990 Japanese GP which cost Prost and Ferrari the drivers title to McLaren. Senna admitted this. That wasn't right either but he got away with it. After that other incidents have occured notabily the Damon Hill/Michael Schumacher incident of Adelaide 1994. I think the FIA is sick of people getting away with stuff like that. I would say that from one extreme they have moved to another. Before you could almost get away with murder and now you cant even make the slightest of errors and get penalised. I would say that if Ferrari protested the above 10 years ago, nothing would of happened. Oh well shlt happens. Ferrari got done to McLaren in 1990, Williams got done to Benetton in 1994, McLaren got done to Ferrari in 2007 and maybe 2008 (remember the season is far from over this year) so I gues what comes around goes around. If you are a champion, you'll continue to fight and still triumph in the end. In the case of Lewis Hamilton, weather that be this year or he has to wait untilt he next, eventually he will be world champion and sadly for McLaren, when he a great driver that he is could be doing this for the oldest and most successful team in F1 which is Ferrari.

[racechick]

Ferrari are only the most successful because they cheat and the FIA help them to do it. Its sad and I thouight it might have stopped with Domenicalli but it obviously hasnt. So you can look forward to lots more hollow wins by ferrari and their drivers unless the FIA go or F1 goes elsewhere.

[Mikep99]

Ferrari are only the most successful because they cheat and the FIA help them to do it. Its sad and I thouight it might have stopped with Domenicalli but it obviously hasnt. So you can look forward to lots more hollow wins by ferrari and their drivers unless the FIA go or F1 goes elsewhere.

How melodramatic & soapboxish can you get.

[Kiwi_Chris]

Its funny cos in the FOCA/FISA war of the early eighties Ferrari were on the other side of the argument to Mosley and Ecclestone and Mclaren were with them - 30 odd years later and it seems that they have reverted to the very thing that were campaigning against all those years ago

[AKR]

Ferrari are only the most successful because they cheat and the FIA help them to do it. Its sad and I thouight it might have stopped with Domenicalli but it obviously hasnt. So you can look forward to lots more hollow wins by ferrari and their drivers unless the FIA go or F1 goes elsewhere.

That is just so not true. Sorry but I cannot accept that simply because of a few Stewards in this case. What about when Ferrari hadn't won a drivers title in 21 years and a constructors title in 16 years? What about that. Now because in this decade the tables have turned in Ferrari's favour, people have to sook. What about all those years that were dominated by both McLaren and Williams? Two British based teams might I add. I bet to all you Brits this was ok hey? I bet they never, ever once cheated and screwed Ferrari up. Even after Ayrton Senna admitted that he delibrately took Prost out in the 1990 Japanese GP and cost Prost and Ferrari the drivers title. I guess it was ok when McLaren and Williams colluded in the 1997 European GP and Williams had McLaren's Hakkinnen who was a lap down try and slow down Michael Schumacher who was eventually caught by Villeneuve and Schumi then tried to take matters in his own hands and do something stupid himself. Oh and I do recall a fact from that incident which is fact and that was that Michael Schumacher in a Ferrari got punished for that. Yes that is right punished. So we have an era were for almost 20 years, McLaren and Williams, the 2 British teams dominated and I guess that was ok. And then where was the so called FIA helping Ferrari then? If the FIA always favours Ferrari why didn't they help Ferrari then. Ferrari was in a position to win in 1997, 1998 and 1999 (the drivers title) and least I forget 1990. I as a child saw how Ferrari were not winning back then and always dreamed of one day being the best again. We finally achieved this in the 2000s and are quite strong now. And all i hear is that Ferrari are cheats when the FIA imposes some bullshlt penalty on someone else other than Ferrari. I am sick of this to death. No one ever accused McLaren nor Williams of cheating when they had their golden years. This is all just so wrong. All you blatant Ferrari dissenters should take a hard long look at yourselves. It is because of this reason that you mock Ferrari all the time, when we never did this when your teams were dominating that I dislike McLaren so much. Williams for the reason that I liked 2 of theor drivers, Nigel Mansell and Riccardo Patrese escaped the "dislike" thing from me.

[McLaren Fan]

I remember posting something here about Ayrton Senna delibratly taking out Prost on the first corner of the 1990 Japanese GP which cost Prost and Ferrari the drivers title to McLaren. Senna admitted this. That wasn't right either but he got away with it.

That's a very one-sided and slightly misunderstanding take on what went on at the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix. In this case, the FIA were biased towards Prost, because he and the FIA President, Balestre, were both French. Senna consulted with the stewards to get the pole and second positions switched on the grid so Senna could take advantage of his pole position. Balestre, however, found out about this and telephoned orders to the track that this was not to happen. Senna was outraged and rightly so. The reason Senna got away with what he did was partly because of what happened to him the year before, partly because it could not be proved and partly because Senna told a white lie about the incident.

McLaren got done to Ferrari in 2007 and maybe 2008 (remember the season is far from over this year)

Add 1999 to that list as well.

If you are a champion, you'll continue to fight and still triumph in the end. In the case of Lewis Hamilton, weather that be this year or he has to wait untilt he next, eventually he will be world champion and sadly for McLaren, when he a great driver that he is could be doing this for the oldest and most successful team in F1 which is Ferrari.

If you are a true champion, you will continue to fight without question. Whether or not they win is another matter.

Ferrari are only the most successful because they cheat and the FIA help them to do it. Its sad and I thouight it might have stopped with Domenicalli but it obviously hasnt. So you can look forward to lots more hollow wins by ferrari and their drivers unless the FIA go or F1 goes elsewhere.

That's unfair. Ferrari are successful because they are a well-run team. Even if you factor in the fairly large amount of assistance they get from the FIA, they'd still be the most successful team in the sport, albeit with several less titles.

[AKR]

That's a very one-sided and slightly misunderstanding take on what went on at the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix. In this case, the FIA were biased towards Prost, because he and the FIA President, Balestre, were both French. Senna consulted with the stewards to get the pole and second positions switched on the grid so Senna could take advantage of his pole position. Balestre, however, found out about this and telephoned orders to the track that this was not to happen. Senna was outraged and rightly so. The reason Senna got away with what he did was partly because of what happened to him the year before, partly because it could not be proved and partly because Senna told a white lie about the incident.

I was too young to have watched that race or season live. I have only seen it on video etc and read reviews. I am only going by what I read and it had said that Senna admitted into running Prost off the road. I am aware that it was the other way around the year before but I don't believe 2 wrongs make a right. Eitherway I don't want to go into that and you probably know more than me regarding that incident so basically Senna won the championship in 1990 so let him rest in peace.