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[8-ball]

wen Hamilton did that move he definitely gained time, this put him in a position to overtake Kimi, if he hadn't of cut the grass and overtook kimi, maybe kimi wouldn't of been pressured into a mistake.
wen kimi crashed i was shattered, i had given up on F1. than i was saying to dad that he only won coz he cheated past kimi, as the race is always delayed here i always check the internet to see if Hamilton got disqualified. so in the space of 2 minutes i was in love with F1 again .
Just remember McLaren fans, the FIA could of easily disqualified McLaren last year but now have lost their patience

BOLLOCKS

You cannot reason with Ferrrari fans like formula1man. They live in a fantasy world where Ferrari can do no wrong. In the real world the "sport" of F1 has some serious problems

[McLaren Fan]

From: The stewards of the meeting

To: The team manager, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

The stewards, having received a report from the Race Director and having met with the drivers and team managers involved, have considered the following matter, determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor and impose the penalty referred to.

No./driver: 22, Lewis Hamilton

Time: 15:21:33

Facts: Cut the chicane and gained an advantage

Offence: Breach of Article 30.3(a) of the 2008 FIA Formula 1 sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

Penalty: Drive-through penalty (Article 16.3 (a)), since this is being applied at the end of the race, 25 seconds will be added to the driver’s elapsed race time.

FIA Stewards of the Meeting

Received by: Lewis Hamilton, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

The entire stewards' document on the matter, for anybody interested. Seems that apparently even giving back the place is not good enough.

To quote Sir Alex Ferguson, "Well, that's complete bollocks, isn't it." Hamilton was forced to use the escape road; if he did not, he would have crashed into Raikkonen. Had he done that, he would have been penalised for causing an avoidable collision. As things were, Hamilton had gained an advantage, but it gave back Raikkonen first place and pulled off a great move to reclaim first place again at La Source. What about whenever Michael Schumacher pulled off similar maneuvers several times? Why did the FIA not think to apply this ruling back then?

[welshie]

Have just got back from work, was looking forward to watching the race . . . . now I'm not going to bother. A drive through AFTER the race has ended, this surely can't be possible.

I have now been turned to the theory that the FIA are engineering the championship to make it down to the last race again. Is utter sh-ite!

[birdofprey]

Just remember McLaren fans, the FIA could of easily disqualified McLaren last year

Something dodgy happened to Lewis in the last three races and I have a strong suspicion that they didn't penalise the drivers on condition that they forfeited the Drivers Championship.

Money again - Ecclestone would have known that had they disqualified the Mclaren drivers the British public would have turned off in their droves.

[Woolley]

If mclaren turn away from the sport its pretty much finished. e only think that keeps it going is the rivalry for the title and no one willwatch a ferrari white wash every year.

I agree to the point that if F1 loose's McLaren it will not be the same, which is HIGHLY doubtful, but the sport will carry on without them.

Come on - If ferrari left the sport it woud be the same thing. If you keep getting pooed on like Mcclaren do here comes a point where the money men say enough is enough. You put money in to win. If you keep getting corrupt decisions which mean it really damages your winning chances you simply dont feel like puting money in. Not saying they will do it but there has been a lot of rumors about teams leaving and starting their own org.

[texasmr2]

Money again - Ecclestone would have known that had they disqualified the Mclaren drivers the British public would have turned off in their droves.

Seem's Sir Bernie is not really worried about the British opinion considering the whole Silverstone - Donnington Park fiasco right but that discussion is on another thread.

[onionman]

Support for those of you who want to give feedback to the Association and not follow the sport again - if rules are to be upheld they should be at a consistent magnatude!

To support this, you see, to me the objections within the sport are opportunist - this has to be identified within the regulations and must be controlled, by consistency and fairness throughout.

From my perception, it seems that an example of safety (European Grand Prix pit investigation) over race advantage (this investigation) seems the total favour and injustice!

We MUST show that there is no sport without spectators!

[8-ball]

If mclaren turn away from the sport its pretty much finished. e only think that keeps it going is the rivalry for the title and no one willwatch a ferrari white wash every year.

I agree to the point that if F1 loose's McLaren it will not be the same, which is HIGHLY doubtful, but the sport will carry on without them.

Come on - If ferrari left the sport it woud be the same thing. If you keep getting pooed on like Mcclaren do here comes a point where the money men say enough is enough. You put money in to win. If you keep getting corrupt decisions which mean it really damages your winning chances you simply dont feel like puting money in. Not saying they will do it but there has been a lot of rumors about teams leaving and starting their own org.

This is true Ron Dennis is pouring a lot of money to compete in the farce called F1and is constantly getting screwed over. If enough teams agree they should go and start their own series. I will more than gladly support it

[FerrariFan63]

I don't know how the tifosi live with themselves. The majority of them are completely amoral souls and have no honour. Enjoy your victory.

As pointed out, the majority of Ferrari fans disagree with the penalty. So much for your "amoral souls" rant.

[loulou]

Two weeks ago I watched Massa carry out a dangerous manouevre in the pits. He received no penalty. Well he is a Ferrari Driver!!Today I watched Lewis Hamilton win the Belgian Grand Prix with a superb display of driving. I've just heard that due to an incident with Raikonnen,which I watched with millions of other people and I personally could see nowt wrong with it they are racing after all aren't they, I digress, Lewis has been stripped of his win. Well he isn't a Ferrari Driver!!The whole thing stinks.
An ex Formula One Fan

You also watched several other races this season where drivers were released in a manner that I would deem as unsafe as Massa's incident, yet they went unpunished. So that point is somewhat invalid. However, he has been stripped of a victory without justification, and in that I completely agree with you.

Ah but they couldn't penalise Massa and hand the win to Hamilton could they -a---holes!!

[texasmr2]

If mclaren turn away from the sport its pretty much finished. e only think that keeps it going is the rivalry for the title and no one willwatch a ferrari white wash every year.

I agree to the point that if F1 loose's McLaren it will not be the same, which is HIGHLY doubtful, but the sport will carry on without them.

Come on - If ferrari left the sport it woud be the same thing. If you keep getting pooed on like Mcclaren do here comes a point where the money men say enough is enough. You put money in to win. If you keep getting corrupt decisions which mean it really damages your winning chances you simply dont feel like puting money in. Not saying they will do it but there has been a lot of rumors about teams leaving and starting their own org.

I never said it would not be the same if Ferrari were to leave, my reply to your question was only regarding McLaren leaving, from your post. In lamen's term's I agreed with you incase you missed it.

[Jimmy]

I can not believe the FIA stewards have made this decision, Hamilton clearly slowed down after cutting the last corner therefore letting kimi re-take him. We might aswell call this championship the ferrari championship from now because its clear some dodgy dealings have been going on between ferrari and the FIA. I will no longer be watching fomula one as the rules are now changed week in, week out to help ferrair and i'm sick off it!!!!!

[texasmr2]

Two weeks ago I watched Massa carry out a dangerous manouevre in the pits. He received no penalty. Well he is a Ferrari Driver!!Today I watched Lewis Hamilton win the Belgian Grand Prix with a superb display of driving. I've just heard that due to an incident with Raikonnen,which I watched with millions of other people and I personally could see nowt wrong with it they are racing after all aren't they, I digress, Lewis has been stripped of his win. Well he isn't a Ferrari Driver!!The whole thing stinks.
An ex Formula One Fan

You also watched several other races this season where drivers were released in a manner that I would deem as unsafe as Massa's incident, yet they went unpunished. So that point is somewhat invalid. However, he has been stripped of a victory without justification, and in that I completely agree with you.

Ah but they couldn't penalise Massa and hand the win to Hamilton could they -a---holes!!

Whatch yourself with the name calling aka '-a---holes' ok, you have been notified .

[Denthúl]

Two weeks ago I watched Massa carry out a dangerous manouevre in the pits. He received no penalty. Well he is a Ferrari Driver!!Today I watched Lewis Hamilton win the Belgian Grand Prix with a superb display of driving. I've just heard that due to an incident with Raikonnen,which I watched with millions of other people and I personally could see nowt wrong with it they are racing after all aren't they, I digress, Lewis has been stripped of his win. Well he isn't a Ferrari Driver!!The whole thing stinks.
An ex Formula One Fan

You also watched several other races this season where drivers were released in a manner that I would deem as unsafe as Massa's incident, yet they went unpunished. So that point is somewhat invalid. However, he has been stripped of a victory without justification, and in that I completely agree with you.

Ah but they couldn't penalise Massa and hand the win to Hamilton could they -a---holes!!

No, they couldn't, because then it would show inconsistency. It would have been the first penalty handed out this season in Formula 1 for an unsafe release, but it was not the first unsafe release of the season, therefore it would be unfair to all of the others who may have lost out or been put at risk by those previous incidents. Of course, if you want to add more inconsistency to the sport, then by all means send a letter to the FIA asking them to do so. I'm sure it would make it much better for the rest of us.

[FerrariFan63]

Seeing as the majority of F1 fans are most probably bind Ferrari lambs I doubt it. Ferrari are the most well known brand in the sport and as long as they are happy then i suppose the FIA are

Except that this whole sorry affair proves beyond doubt that the majority of Ferrari fans are far from "blind Ferrari lambs".