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[juggles]

Give over. Even though it's not the same as it used to be, Hockenheim isn't a bad track.

I think you need to stop being so "lippy" as you have been recently on this forum. I said nothing about you calling me 'bitter' last night just for expressing a legitimate point of view - which is also what you are now criticising 7Up for doing.

Going to Hockenheim used to be exciting. It was a big challenge for the engineers in particular, it was also pretty tricky for the drivers, hearing the noise of the old V10/V12 engines screaming at maximum revs was amazing for the spectators, and seeing drivers get caught out in the stadium section due to wind, slightly different weather conditions or not adjusting to the contrast in the circuit's layout produced some interesting moments. What has Hockenheim got to offer now? It's technical challenge is gone, it's challenge to the drivers has been greatly reduced, the cars are not tested to their limits and the circuit feels clinical and sterile. Hockenheim has not produced a decent race since being carved up.

In fairness this year's race was a good'un, although admittedly that was mainly down to the safety car not the racetrack itself. It's become so usual for a race to be tedious if there isn't a safety car or rain, which is the flipside to the constant drive towards greater driver safety. Plus the dominance of a couple of constructors, but that's nothing new

[texasmr2]

I enjoyed the race aswell as the track, maybe it's just because I'm alot less critical over the thing's I have no power to change and I'm just happy with watching F1 racing.

[Kiwi_Chris]

Yeah tilkes tracks arnt always the best (im being generous) but really the thing that has killed overtaking the most is the inability for the cars to follow another car closely - look what happend when rosberg tucked him self just under another cars rear wing, he spun. Yea Tilke has got a lot to answer for but so do the team designers

[deMuRe]

Tilke is doing what he's told, look to whomever is paying Tilke's wages if you want to point the finger...

[bud]

Tilke is doing what he's told, look to whomever is paying Tilke's wages if you want to point the finger...

hangon you saying his creativeness comes from his bosses?


aside from that comment i agree that F1's technical regulations are more to blame for lack of overtaking than the tracks they race on.

[deMuRe]

Tilke is doing what he's told, look to whomever is paying Tilke's wages if you want to point the finger...

hangon you saying his creativeness comes from his bosses?


aside from that comment i agree that F1's technical regulations are more to blame for lack of overtaking than the tracks they race on.

Maximum granstand coverage would be his number one priority, that would be coming from Bernie.

That's how things work in the real world spud.

[bud]

Tilke is doing what he's told, look to whomever is paying Tilke's wages if you want to point the finger...

hangon you saying his creativeness comes from his bosses?


aside from that comment i agree that F1's technical regulations are more to blame for lack of overtaking than the tracks they race on.

Maximum granstand coverage would be his number one priority, that would be coming from Bernie.

That's how things work in the real world my superior bud.

Maximum grandstand coverage hmmmm your real worlds almost there..... the only grandstands Bernie worry's about are the lounge suits around the globe with its occupants watching his show on the box!

[F1racer]

To me, Tilke's tracks are very "samey"; you can always tell a track designed by him. That's a bad thing, for the lack of variety makes life much easier for the drivers and teams, which makes the races boring and drains away the levels of excitement for the fans. No matter how good his circuits may be, the people designing the tracks need to change. Besides, I'm sure that Tilke is not the only one in the entire planet who can design a decent Formula One track. Overall, I think Tilke's circuits have generally been mediocre. Turkey is good and Valencia has the potential to be good, but the rest have been poor. The sport itself has to take some blame as well, however. The costs of Formula One are insane, Ecclestone doesn't care about the show, so long as he gets his cash, and paranoia about safety have also damaged the entertainment value of the show.

You a basically a moron who has no clue what you are talking about.

Sepang is one of he best circuts ever built, the new Hockenhiem has produced some of the best dry races in the modern era, and in general Tilke has done a great job of making circuits safe while providing passing zones without a chicane...

The "safety paranoia" has kept F1 healthy and thriving, opening new markets and creating massive demand for new GPs all over the world. What a dimwit you are.

[bud]

You a basically a moron who has no clue what you are talking about.

Sepang is one of he best circuts ever built, the new Hockenhiem has produced some of the best dry races in the modern era, and in general Tilke has done a great job of making circuits safe while providing passing zones without a chicane...

The "safety paranoia" has kept F1 healthy and thriving, opening new markets and creating massive demand for new GPs all over the world. What a dimwit you are.

you moron F1racer

what a dimwit you are

[McLaren Fan]

You a basically a moron who has no clue what you are talking about.

Oh, really? This coming from the guy whose grammar and spelling is appallingly bad and who has to resort to petty insults in order to get his point across, if you have one, that is.

Sepang is one of he best circuts ever built, the new Hockenhiem has produced some of the best dry races in the modern era...

All of this is only your opinion and one with which many Formula One do not agree. You would do well, then, not to put your views across as fact.

in general Tilke has done a great job of making circuits safe while providing passing zones without a chicane...

Well, once again, you demonstrate your asinine behaviour by failing to have read:

Yesterday's race did not live up to expectations, we all know that. I think, however, sniping at the venue is a little premature. It will get better over the next couple of years. They were still finishing off bits of it on Thursday so the race could be held! The track layout itself has to take some of the blame in that it basically means you need a good engine to do well at the circuit. This is where single-biggest problem comes in. If the guy in front of you is getting an extra 20 bhp from his engine compared to yours, you have no chance of catching him in the straight, so you will not be able to slipstream and then subsequently outbrake him! This is were Formula One needs to cut down its operating costs because the big boys are blowing so much money on research and development that the smaller teams could only dream about. Similar to this problem, and not a hell of a lot behind it in terms of significance, is Formula One's reliance on aerodynamic grip. As you know, the amount of turbulent air from the cars now makes it very difficult to close up on a car and overtake. Thankfully, this will be rectified to some degree next year. Finally, as I've said before, Formula One has never been famous for huge amounts of overtaking. Yes, the amount of it has decreased in recent times, but there was never as much as some people like to believe. Some get all misty eyed and dreamy when thinking about events fifteen years ago. For me, other reasons why the sport seems less interesting is the boring tracks that we have now that have forced older, more exciting tracks off the calendar and a complete lack of charisma from the drivers. The sport needs personalities who are prepared to open their mouths, not a load of spice boy yes men.

The "safety paranoia" has kept F1 healthy and thriving, opening new markets and creating massive demand for new GPs all over the world. What a dimwit you are.

You are right (for once, it seems) to say that Formula One's focus on safety has kept the sport thriving and opened up new markets for it. However, there are legitimate safety concerns and illegitimate safety concerns, in my view. Cars with fuel tanks that could explode because of a crash are highly dangerous. Cars without traction control, however, are not dangerous, despite what numerous drivers tried to claim this season. They already have traction control: their right foot.

[deMuRe]

Tilke is doing what he's told, look to whomever is paying Tilke's wages if you want to point the finger...

hangon you saying his creativeness comes from his bosses?


aside from that comment i agree that F1's technical regulations are more to blame for lack of overtaking than the tracks they race on.

Maximum granstand coverage would be his number one priority, that would be coming from Bernie.

That's how things work in the real world my superior bud.

Maximum grandstand coverage hmmmm your real worlds almost there..... the only grandstands Bernie worry's about are the lounge suits around the globe with its occupants watching his show on the box!

Yes, and the race is far more appealing to watch on TV when the grandstands are full and positioned correctly...

[Rob-F1]

He's a little Tilke isen't he.

[F1racer]

All of this is only your opinion and one with which many Formula One do not agree. You would do well, then, not to put your views across as fact.

This statement alone goes to show what a complete moron you are...anyone having anything to do anything with Formula One knows that Sepang is a masterpiece, and has been viewed that way since it's inception. It was the first Asian track penned by Tilke, and the hallmark piece that essentially gave him tenure as the defacto F1 circuit designer.

You try to position yourself on here as some kind of know-it-all prancing around like some ego maniac pretending you know something the rest of us don't. But as demonstrated in this thread, misrepresenting Tilke tracks and complaining about safety - you're a complete idiot.

[texasmr2]

All of this is only your opinion and one with which many Formula One do not agree. You would do well, then, not to put your views across as fact.

This statement alone goes to show what a complete moron you are...anyone having anything to do anything with Formula One knows that Sepang is a masterpiece, and has been viewed that way since it's inception. It was the first Asian track penned by Tilke, and the hallmark piece that essentially gave him tenure as the defacto F1 circuit designer.

You try to position yourself on here as some kind of know-it-all prancing around like some ego maniac pretending you know something the rest of us don't. But as demonstrated in this thread, misrepresenting Tilke tracks and complaining about safety - you're a complete idiot.

Enough with the personal insult's F1racer ok? If you dont like what someone has to say either reply in a mature manner or click the on the IGNORE button. Incase you missed or forgot to read this forum's user guidelines here is the link viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2216.

Please follow the guidelines and we will have no further issue's .

Gregg

[deMuRe]

Awwe, it's so nice to see someone bring McLaren Fan down a couple of pegs or two, he does troll this forum and consider his words to be F1 Gospel.

Don't want to seem to be encouraging F1racer's disregard of the forum guidelines, however he's got my vote ;p