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[Stephen]

You don't know what the driver's view is from the cockpit with (or without) the halo because you have never driven an F1 car in your life

Have I driven F1 cars? No. Have I sat in them, yes. Have I driven single-seaters, yes. Unless you've x-ray vision the halo is going to make a significant difference to viewability.

you don't know if the halo would have prevented Massa from getting hurt back in 2009 because you have no way of proving what effect it would have had on the debris that hit him

Suggest you do some research - plenty of videos show the trajectory quite nicely. It's likely it would have made it inside the halo - hence why I believe an alternative should be sought.

and the halo would have saved Henry Surtees from being killed because it would have stopped the wheel from hitting his head, after all that is the point of it.

Did I say that though? No. I referred to the fact you could drop a bouncing wheel on the drivers head with or without the halo fitted. Look at the top down view of the system. Again, this is why I believe an alternative system is required.

So you are right that you don't understand it, in fact you don't have a fecking clue, that much is clear.

God, call me worthless too and you'd sound just like my mother.

[darwin dali]

God, call me worthless too and you'd sound just like my mother.

[sagi58]

All good - your youtube is showing. Maybe clear your browser cache...

ahem... my cache is cleared BEFORE I shut down the internet...

[sagi58]

Sagi, it's a security setting, most browsers won't show secure, https and nonsecure http together by default.

You basically have to disable https for the forum for it to work correctly, here's how to do it in Firefox: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/mi ... ng-firefox

Thanks!! I guess I have to do one of two things...
install FireFox or be happy with the status quo...

[sagi58]

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So you are right that you don't understand it, in fact you don't have a fecking clue, that much is clear.

God, call me worthless too and you'd sound just like my mother.

[myownalias]

Sagi, it's a security setting, most browsers won't show secure, https and nonsecure http together by default.

You basically have to disable https for the forum for it to work correctly, here's how to do it in Firefox: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/mi ... ng-firefox

Thanks!! I guess I have to do one of two things...
install FireFox or be happy with the status quo...

You used to be able to click on the shield in the address bar to allow mixed content, but that seems to have disappeared now. However, I managed to get it to work by adding a shortcut parameter, which allows secure and non-secure content to be displayed together, but beware, this could be dangerous as it allows non-secure data to been shown on all https sites.

Here's the code you'll need; right click on your Chome shortcut and select properties, then the shortcut tab (if not already selected) and copy and paste the following (assuming Chrome is installed in the default directory) into the target box then click OK.

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --allow-running-insecure-content

Hope this helps!

[bikergirl2000]

Halo is always problem, why need HALO I never understand!

[overboost]

Fire mandated to burn 60 to 100% slower by FIA to allow for halo install:

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/890217751939297280

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@tgruener

FIA will raise the time limit for the mandatory cockpit evacuation test. It's 5 seconds now. With Halo it will be around 8-10 seconds.
#AMuS
7:30 AM - 26 Jul 2017

[myownalias]

So they have increased the risk of a driver being severely burned in favor of potentially stopping debris, that's a trade off that makes zero sense.

We see cars on fire far more frequently than we do drivers get hit by debris. This seems to be standard fare for FIA decision making, force it through and move the compliance goal posts.

[rob91]

Unless you've x-ray vision the halo is going to make a significant difference to viewability.

You cannot say this because you don't have experience of what it is like to drive an F1 car with the halo attached. Those who have experience, i.e. the F1 drivers, say that vision is not a problem and there is no reason whatsoever to disbelieve them on this point.

Suggest you do some research - plenty of videos show the trajectory quite nicely. It's likely it would have made it inside the halo

To say it is likely that the debris would have passed the halo and still hit Massa on the head based solely on viewing videos of the incident does not count as research, it is guesswork. Again, you have no way of proving what effect the halo would have had in that moment.

I referred to the fact you could drop a bouncing wheel on the drivers head with or without the halo fitted.

This does not make any sense, you cannot drop a bouncing wheel, and even if you could why would you want to do it on a driver's head?

I believe an alternative system is required.

Like what? There is no better alternative right now and all the teams agreed that for next year onwards extra cockpit protection is to be implemented. If you really believe the halo has no safety benefits despite all the R&D carried out then why don't you contact the FIA and explain this to them?

[Stephen]

We disagree then.

Highly recommend watching yesterday's driver conferences (especially the second one) and the various interviews (best one being with Massa - who himself couldn't say whether this device would have saved him from injury) to see just what the drivers think of this. Yes, it's great the FIA are thinking about safety, they should be commended - it's the execution I, and most drivers, have issue with.

Right, going to attach a scaffolding pole to my dashboard now - I'm sure it won't make any difference to my driving enjoyment. (there's even a smily for it!)

[overboost]

FIA Halo hype:

F1 halo introduction: FIA addresses six key myths about new safety device amid unrest over car change

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport ... 3195179582

So all will be good and we fans will actually get used to the halo. Must be true because Charlie Whiting says so!

[overboost]

[JAA17]

I like the idea of the Halo on safety grounds, but surely the obvious solution is to have two prongs on either side rather than right in front of the driver. That seems more unsafe.
Also (I realise plastic is a bit heavier) but you can get really strong CLEAR plastics.

[sagi58]

Good points, JAA!!

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