- 29 Dec 14, 12:45#430664
OB blames Mercedes stifling competition for Ferrari starting late on their 2015 car.
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It isn't 'their engine freeze', it's limited development that was agreed by all. But Ferrari and renault can't manage the limited development on offer. How on earth do you expect them to cope in a free for all?
But fair do's to renault, I haven't heard whinning and moaning from them, they seem to be trying to get to grips with their shortcomings.
And the reason Mercedes started their engine so early was because they had Brawn and Brawn had a plan. He ran the hybrid programme with a completely different team alongside the racing team. Mercedes also realised how Important it was yo work closely with the oil/petrol people( Petronas) . I was laughed at when I posted an article about that by a now absent member, told it would make little difference, yet renault and Ferrari are now realising it does make a difference....but they're a little late to the party. It's no good blaming Merc for other engine manufacturers shortfalls. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
And then you have a team that have been around second longest with another real world comment, Ron says reliability is their key to compete, nothing about engine freezes or unfair competition because of using a driver to test V6 parts in the V8 days. Indeed Ron says the performance is impressive. Maybe Merc should complain about reliability as Ferrari were very reliable, thats hardly fair now on Merc or Honda when Ferrari have such an advantage
And over in lalaland, when the media or the opiated fans are not looking, no ones blaming the engine regs or claiming they were held back from competing, infact they are even admiting they have messed up 2015 as well ALL BY THEMSELVES
McLaren racing director Eric Boullier insists it is in the best interest of Formula 1 to allow Mercedes' rivals to catch up in the engine department.
Boullier, whose team will use Honda power next year after switching from Mercedes, thinks it is essential that the rules are unfrozen in order for Formula 1 to have proper competition.
"Doing something that will stupidly increase the costs is not what we want to achieve," said Boullier.
"But it's a competition and we can change the cars as much as we want."
"Within the regulations, I think engines should be frozen once every manufacturer has been able to develop their engines."
"If you disallow the competition, then this goes a against the spirit of the sport."
"They benefited from the fact that they did a very good job and they benefited from the fact that the regulations are locked with the engines being frozen," he added.
"Most of the gains they have had come from the engine and they will for a couple of years until everybody can match them in terms of development."
"This is what they are benefiting from and if you could unfreeze the engine regs, you will see some catch up."
It isn't 'their engine freeze', it's limited development that was agreed by all. But Ferrari and renault can't manage the limited development on offer. How on earth do you expect them to cope in a free for all?
But fair do's to renault, I haven't heard whinning and moaning from them, they seem to be trying to get to grips with their shortcomings.
And the reason Mercedes started their engine so early was because they had Brawn and Brawn had a plan. He ran the hybrid programme with a completely different team alongside the racing team. Mercedes also realised how Important it was yo work closely with the oil/petrol people( Petronas) . I was laughed at when I posted an article about that by a now absent member, told it would make little difference, yet renault and Ferrari are now realising it does make a difference....but they're a little late to the party. It's no good blaming Merc for other engine manufacturers shortfalls. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Well by default it has become Mercedes engine freeze as most every one else involved, McLaren/Honda, Renault, Ferrari, non-merc customer teams, race promoters, BE, CVC, FIA even, all have lost interest in this failed idea! They want to move forward to bring back competition, some parity and life to F1. As well not many fans are wanting to watch cars with a 2 second a lap advantage cruise to win every race.
And if Merc is so confident then why wouldn't they allow the rules to be changed to allow for competition and in season engine updates? They are the ones looking afraid of a little 'heat'. I think it would do them alot of good to want to race without rule protection, their reputation would improve and their victories would mean more. I find their thinking to be very shortsighted.
And if Merc is so confident then why wouldn't they allow the rules to be changed to allow for competition and in season engine updates? They are the ones looking afraid of a little 'heat'. I think it would do them alot of good to want to race without rule protection, their reputation would improve and their victories would mean more. I find their thinking to be very shortsighted.
Just out of curiousity, are there any Mercedes fans who could honestly say they would be OK with
this situation if the shoe were on the other foot? Somehow I doubt that very much.
It isn't 'their engine freeze', it's limited development that was agreed by all. But Ferrari and renault can't manage the limited development on offer. How on earth do you expect them to cope in a free for all?
But fair do's to renault, I haven't heard whinning and moaning from them, they seem to be trying to get to grips with their shortcomings.
And the reason Mercedes started their engine so early was because they had Brawn and Brawn had a plan. He ran the hybrid programme with a completely different team alongside the racing team. Mercedes also realised how Important it was yo work closely with the oil/petrol people( Petronas) . I was laughed at when I posted an article about that by a now absent member, told it would make little difference, yet renault and Ferrari are now realising it does make a difference....but they're a little late to the party. It's no good blaming Merc for other engine manufacturers shortfalls. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Well by default it has become Mercedes engine freeze as most every one else involved, McLaren/Honda, Renault, Ferrari, non-merc customer teams, race promoters, BE, CVC, FIA even, all have lost interest in this failed idea! They want to move forward to bring back competition, some parity and life to F1. As well not many fans are wanting to watch cars with a 2 second a lap advantage cruise to win every race.
And if Merc is so confident then why wouldn't they allow the rules to be changed to allow for competition and in season engine updates? They are the ones looking afraid of a little 'heat'. I think it would do them alot of good to want to race without rule protection, their reputation would improve and their victories would mean more. I find their thinking to be very shortsighted.
I think you'll find you're wrong...........with most of that. MERC won WITHIN the rules, Horner and Ferrari are crying. They are the ones wanting rule changes, they are the failures. And why should Merc agree to rule changes for slackers? They shouldn't .
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