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[sagi58]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

Excellent job. It is always welcome to see such a detailed objective analysis based on facts and actual race data.

Still haven't read it all so I am not sure why Ricciardo was not higher up the ratings, but top 3 isn't so bad. No surprise seeing Alonso in top spot, and Bottas near the top. And look at Vergne, I hope he can somehow find a drive next season.

I'd be very concerned if I was you ob... it's been a hard hard year to be a Tifosi and now this. Your team gets rid of the number one on the list to make room for the number 12 on the list.

Number 8 and number 12 will certainly be leading the Cuckooria to greatness, Forza Ferarri!

Looks like your comprehension is slipping, too!!

Alonso and Ferrari parted ways because of a mutal agreement.
That's not the same as, "here's the door" or "I'm outta here"!!

[sagi58]

Alonso had some of the best reliability so what? who cares?

I think the point was more where Raikkonen made a lot of errors in a very erratic car which was difficult to handle, Alonso made very few if any which highlighted how well he drove. In fact if it wasnt for Alonso Ferrari could have been 6th in the WCC rather than 4th. It was Alonso's brilliance that limited the embarassment for Ferrari this year!

It wont happen, but now both have matured I would love to see Alonso vs Hamilton at Mercedes next season. Then we would find out which one is the best driver in F1.

But we already have a good idea - those of us without bias...

[What's Burning?]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

Excellent job. It is always welcome to see such a detailed objective analysis based on facts and actual race data.

Still haven't read it all so I am not sure why Ricciardo was not higher up the ratings, but top 3 isn't so bad. No surprise seeing Alonso in top spot, and Bottas near the top. And look at Vergne, I hope he can somehow find a drive next season.

I'd be very concerned if I was you ob... it's been a hard hard year to be a Tifosi and now this. Your team gets rid of the number one on the list to make room for the number 12 on the list.

Number 8 and number 12 will certainly be leading the Cuckooria to greatness, Forza Ferarri!

Looks like your comprehension is slipping, too!!

Alonso and Ferrari parted ways because of a mutal agreement.
That's not the same as, "here's the door" or "I'm outta here"!!

Keep telling yourself that, anyway no more Alonso talk since you e now got the 12th man on the list.

[sagi58]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

Excellent job. It is always welcome to see such a detailed objective analysis based on facts and actual race data.

Still haven't read it all so I am not sure why Ricciardo was not higher up the ratings, but top 3 isn't so bad. No surprise seeing Alonso in top spot, and Bottas near the top. And look at Vergne, I hope he can somehow find a drive next season.

I'd be very concerned if I was you ob... it's been a hard hard year to be a Tifosi and now this. Your team gets rid of the number one on the list to make room for the number 12 on the list.

Number 8 and number 12 will certainly be leading the Cuckooria to greatness, Forza Ferarri!

Looks like your comprehension is slipping, too!!

Alonso and Ferrari parted ways because of a mutal agreement.
That's not the same as, "here's the door" or "I'm outta here"!!

Keep telling yourself that, anyway no more Alonso talk since you e now got the 12th man on the list.

I didn't realize I needed your permission to talk about anyone!

[Hammer278]

Just skimming that article, it looked like a fun way to waste time at most.

.... dry, and not far behind Hamilton (13.6), who is another phenomenal wet-weather driver. While Button and Hamilton were teammates, they started 12 wet races together. Button won 5, Hamilton won 3

This was bolded, I immediately recalled Brazil 2012 where Hamilton was KO'ed by Hulkenburg while leading. Does this mean Button won that race on merit? When 2 cars ahead were taken off....it immediately evens it to 4-4. And was Canada 2011 at wet rain start? Can't recall. But again over there we had Button KO not only his teammate, but Alonso on his way to victory.

And Alonso compared to Mr Johnny Walker himself in order to assess performance.....lol. Let's put Button in the Ferrari this year alongside Johnny Walker and JB will immediately jump up a couple of spots at least.

The article looks like it took a long time to put together, clearly the author has a lot of time on his hands and its a very thoughtful, detailed piece put together but in terms of relevance....nope, not seeing it.

[Hammer278]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

Excellent job. It is always welcome to see such a detailed objective analysis based on facts and actual race data.

Still haven't read it all so I am not sure why Ricciardo was not higher up the ratings, but top 3 isn't so bad. No surprise seeing Alonso in top spot, and Bottas near the top. And look at Vergne, I hope he can somehow find a drive next season.

I'd be very concerned if I was you ob... it's been a hard hard year to be a Tifosi and now this. Your team gets rid of the number one on the list to make room for the number 12 on the list.

Number 8 and number 12 will certainly be leading the Cuckooria to greatness, Forza Ferarri!

Looks like your comprehension is slipping, too!!

Alonso and Ferrari parted ways because of a mutal agreement.
That's not the same as, "here's the door" or "I'm outta here"!!

Pure lala land material. "Mutual agreement"....LOL. Ok Sagi. I've seen a few celebrity couples file for divorce with the press saying the reason being "irreconcilable differences" and much later it turns out the husband was a drug addict/a wife beater/loser mug....so you see, in reality reading all the politically correct stuff on the news doesn't translate to the truth. I mean, do you really expect Alonso to come out and say "I'm leaving since I'm sick of racing for losers"? But of course, if you prefer to close your eyes and think of butterflies and flowers all around you with Alonso and Ferrari making out while parting ways....please feel free to ease your pain, if it helps 2014 seem better for mia-lalafolk.

[Ferrari man 009]

I agree with you Hammer, the term "mutual agreement" when discussing departures in sport is one of my pet hates. Happens all the time in football and all it does is ensures that neither parties PR takes a hammering!

[CookinFlat6]

Ferrari didnt stop Alonso from leaving, they apparently wrote off their entitlement to compensation to allow him to leave. So even if there was some degree of letting him go, the important and salient fact here is that Alonso initiated his own departure and apparently had requested this some time before.

It could be that MnM got sacked for allowing the 2nd best driver to leave, whilst keeping the 9th best and then breaking the bank for the 8th best.

The history books will show that the best driver Ferrari have had since MS was REPLACED by a driver who got arse whipped by his near rookie teammate - at the same time as retaining the guy they already paid off for being sh!te who was even more sh!te this time around with a wage equal to the departing Alonsos

It wont look good unless Seb smacks Kimi next year by the same margin at the very least

it will also confirm that the Todt. MS, Brawn era was the abberation in Ferraris F1 history - a sustained period of efficiency and success

[overboost]

Ferrari didnt stop Alonso from leaving, they apparently wrote off their entitlement to compensation to allow him to leave. So even if there was some degree of letting him go, the important and salient fact here is that Alonso initiated his own departure and apparently had requested this some time before.

It could be that MnM got sacked for allowing the 2nd best driver to leave, whilst keeping the 9th best and then breaking the bank for the 8th best.

The history books will show that the best driver Ferrari have had since MS was REPLACED by a driver who got arse whipped by his near rookie teammate - at the same time as retaining the guy they already paid off for being sh!te who was even more sh!te this time around with a wage equal to the departing Alonsos

It wont look good unless Seb smacks Kimi next year by the same margin at the very least

it will also confirm that the Todt. MS, Brawn era was the abberation in Ferraris F1 history - a sustained period of efficiency and success

Are you ok tonight cooking? Your writings are seem very erratic even for you!

And was Kimi making as much as Alonso? I thought he was making half. Please confirm that info if you would. Thanks.

[CookinFlat6]

You just said my claims are erratic - so why dont you show that they are by confirming that Kimi was on half Alonsos wage and that the Todt era was a more typical era for Ferrari than not. See thats how it works - I say something, you make an objection and then demonstrate why your objection is valid

So! erratic should be easy enough to prove

[CookinFlat6]

Naturally we wont hear anymore from you challenging my 'erratic' claim that Alonso and Kimi were on equal pay. Instead you will start a meandering 20 page waste of time around the simple fact I pointed out as part of a wider post. And after all that it will be a Mea Culpa from you even if you never admit you were wrong. So you object to my claims like I do to yours, the only difference is I dont post stuff I dont understand, therefore I can always back them up whereas you and the others would start the twist and shout routine and waste everyones time focusing on some pedantic aspect like wrong spelling or typos

So lets meet halfway, I will show you why I said alonso and Kimi were on equal pay and you then show me how the Todt era is not an abberation in Ferraris history of efficient and successful periods
Or you can always just say 'I OB am wrong, I dont know that your claims are wrong'

Fernando Alonso, Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel top F1’s best-earners list for the 2014 season.

According to the latest report, which uses figures from the Business Book GP2014, Ferrari team-mates Alonso and Raikkonen, as well as four-time World Champion Vettel, all receive €22m annually.

Alonso has long been the best-paid driver in the sport, but Raikkonen’s return to the Scuderia has brought the Finn level. Meanwhile Vettel’s on-track success is now more closely mirrored in his earnings at the Red Bull squad.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/12/revealed-2014-f1-driver-salaries/

[myownalias]

I'm pretty sure that link is inaccurate, I understood that Kobayashi was driving for free, while Maldonado is having his seat paid for him by Venezuelan Oil. I also find it amazing that Ricciardo was only being paid 750k while Vettel was on 22m given their relative performance,

[overboost]

You just said my claims are erratic - so why dont you show that they are by confirming that Kimi was on half Alonsos wage and that the Todt era was a more typical era for Ferrari than not. See thats how it works - I say something, you make an objection and then demonstrate why your objection is valid

So! erratic should be easy enough to prove

Yes erratic, you seem to be very angry at Ferrari lashing out at them for no reason that I can see and in the other thread it seemed that you couldn't understand a simple correction claiming a couple of times that 6 litre engines were the real deal! and also with Raikkonen's salary being equal to Alonso's as a swipe at Ferrari. So erratic, more erratic than usual perhaps may be better stated.

So if you are reluctant to post what you know about Kimi's salary, I had thought that Kimi was making about half with Alonso on 20M or so. Here is a link I found.

http://kimiraikkonenspace.com/2014/02/0 ... -salaries/

"Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton are the two highest paid drivers in Formula 1 this year according to a report by The Richest.

Alonso, starting his fifth year as a Ferrari driver, and Hamilton, in his second year with Mercedes, are reportedly each earning €20 million, with McLaren’s Jenson Button and quadruple wortld champion Sebastian Vettel banking €16 million from Red Bull.

Interestingly Kimi Raikkonen, who returns to Ferrari, is driving for €10 million this year half what his teammate Alonso is pocketing. The Finn was the last driver to win the world title for Ferrari when he did so back in 2007 during his first stint with the Maranello outfit."

[racechick]

I'm pretty certain that figure is wrong for Vettel. I thought he moved ahead of Lewis sometime this year on driver salary.

[overboost]

I'm pretty certain that figure is wrong for Vettel. I thought he moved ahead of Lewis sometime this year on driver salary.

And that may be true as the the above was posted at the beginning of the season.