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[Ferrari man 009]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

[CookinFlat6]

It doesnt take dnfs and crashes into account, therefore Nicos point to Lewis in Spa on that metric calculates as Nico trashing lewis that race by 25 points

most humans have millions of processors arranged in parallel between thier ears, that allows us to grade and value things at a level of granularity that, even if we arranged pcs the same way, we couldnt program them to do the same

Only the usual types of F1 fans who need a maths model to tell them whats what will take this seriously, the more observant of those who jump on this type of near useless model might even notice all the disclaimers made by the creator, ending up saying its just fun

Anyone with some time and the latest software that codes any algo you want for you by dragging and dropping things could come up with this stuff, but I am sure the h8rz will treat it as gospel if lewis is not as high as his reputation demands

[sagi58]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

That obviously took a lot of time and effort to put together.
And, it's just as obvious that it won't take long for some fans
to belittle the work of others, especially when they don't agree.

edit: oops... not as fast on the draw as I used to be!!

[CookinFlat6]

Its merely an algorithmic opinion and my opinion is that its a distraction from watching F1 and drawing your own conclusions

Alonso had some of the best reliability so what? who cares?

Having said that I am sure the creator enjoyed making it and the criticism of these models is a general one not about this specific one alone. But sensible people do know that models cant predict anything when humans are involved because they can factor in the imperfect behaviour of people, so in identical cars JEv mught actuall be second - we dont know and we all have our opinions, and if some need to be told then good for them as well

[What's Burning?]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

That obviously took a lot of time and effort to put together.
And, it's just as obvious that it won't take long for some fans
to belittle the work of others, especially when they don't agree.

edit: oops... not as fast on the draw as I used to be!!

That's the only thing Alonso has won this year, a fantasy what if scenario. How low the mighty have fallen eh? Roses are red and violets are blue.

[sagi58]

Its merely an algorithmic opinion and my opinion is that its a distraction from watching F1 and drawing your own conclusions

Alonso had some of the best reliability so what? who cares?

Having said that I am sure the creator enjoyed making it and the criticism of these models is a general one not about this specific one alone. But sensible people do know that models cant predict anything when humans are involved because they can factor in the imperfect behaviour of people, so in identical cars JEv mught actuall be second - we dont know and we all have our opinions, and if some need to be told then good for them as well

Oh, my... are you, in a very round-about way, saying that Statistics can be manipulated?

As for discrediting reliability, I can probably pick out a dozen times when Hamilton's
fans doubted Mercedes' reliability, this year alone!!

[sagi58]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

That obviously took a lot of time and effort to put together.
And, it's just as obvious that it won't take long for some fans
to belittle the work of others, especially when they don't agree.

edit: oops... not as fast on the draw as I used to be!!

That's the only thing Alonso has won this year, a fantasy what if scenario. How low the mighty have fallen eh? Roses are red and violets are blue.

Well, to be fair, there have been a lot of discussions around "what if" in most of the threads,
so what's wrong with this one? Well, besides the fact that it doesn't categorically state that
Hamilton is the best in the west, north, sound and east.

[overboost]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

Excellent job. It is always welcome to see such a detailed objective analysis based on facts and actual race data.

Still haven't read it all so I am not sure why Ricciardo was not higher up the ratings, but top 3 isn't so bad. No surprise seeing Alonso in top spot, and Bottas near the top. And look at Vergne, I hope he can somehow find a drive next season.

[Ferrari man 009]

Alonso had some of the best reliability so what? who cares?

I think the point was more where Raikkonen made a lot of errors in a very erratic car which was difficult to handle, Alonso made very few if any which highlighted how well he drove. In fact if it wasnt for Alonso Ferrari could have been 6th in the WCC rather than 4th. It was Alonso's brilliance that limited the embarassment for Ferrari this year!

It wont happen, but now both have matured I would love to see Alonso vs Hamilton at Mercedes next season. Then we would find out which one is the best driver in F1.

[zurich_allan]

The old 'quantitative vs qualitative' debate. It's an interesting read, and you can tell that the creator does have some grasp of research, however to produce a tighter model and set of results there would have to be a much greater consideration of dependent and independent variables that go into the equation.

That said, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and the various points raised. Kudos to the author who clearly took a lot of time to put it all together, for a bit of fun it was great.

[What's Burning?]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

That obviously took a lot of time and effort to put together.
And, it's just as obvious that it won't take long for some fans
to belittle the work of others, especially when they don't agree.

edit: oops... not as fast on the draw as I used to be!!

That's the only thing Alonso has won this year, a fantasy what if scenario. How low the mighty have fallen eh? Roses are red and violets are blue.

Well, to be fair, there have been a lot of discussions around "what if" in most of the threads,
so what's wrong with this one? Well, besides the fact that it doesn't categorically state that
Hamilton is the best in the west, north, sound and east.

I say why stop at naming Alonso number one? I say let's award him the virtual trophy, after all I'm sure in this analysis Ferrari came to the grid with a good engine, since all things are equal. Must be so sad to support a team that's going backwards fast.

[What's Burning?]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

Excellent job. It is always welcome to see such a detailed objective analysis based on facts and actual race data.

Still haven't read it all so I am not sure why Ricciardo was not higher up the ratings, but top 3 isn't so bad. No surprise seeing Alonso in top spot, and Bottas near the top. And look at Vergne, I hope he can somehow find a drive next season.

I'd be very concerned if I was you ob... it's been a hard hard year to be a Tifosi and now this. Your team gets rid of the number one on the list to make room for the number 12 on the list.

Number 8 and number 12 will certainly be leading the Cuckooria to greatness, Forza Ferarri!

[CigarGuy]

Wow! As a "numbers" guy, that was fan-tastic! So, SO much to digest in there. Many insights for this newby
to digest. Thanks for the link!

[CookinFlat6]

Alonso had some of the best reliability so what? who cares?

I think the point was more where Raikkonen made a lot of errors in a very erratic car which was difficult to handle, Alonso made very few if any which highlighted how well he drove. In fact if it wasnt for Alonso Ferrari could have been 6th in the WCC rather than 4th. It was Alonso's brilliance that limited the embarassment for Ferrari this year!

It wont happen, but now both have matured I would love to see Alonso vs Hamilton at Mercedes next season. Then we would find out which one is the best driver in F1.

But we already have a good idea - those of us without bias. As a rookie Lewis more than matched Alonso in all departments. They both have 2 WDCS, however Lewis' were won in two different teams. Lewis has not had a fraction of the advantages Alonso has had or half the reliability in the races that Alonsos talents are judged by. Alonso has had compliant shackled teammates, crashing for him, giving him tows, grid places, moving over, not allowed to challenge.

In the time both Alonso and Lewis have competed together on track, Alonso has scored no WDCs, has had fewer wins and fewr poles, has chosen the wrong teams at the wrong time, has not turned any losing team into a winning one, has no claim to have developed or help develop any car ahead of where he started with it, Ferrari have not gone forward in his time at the team.

By any metric anyone could care to produce Lewis is the superior driver to Alonso, Alonsos WDCs came before Lewis was even driving and since then he has overhauled him in race wins and matched him in WDCs and outqualified him and beat him in the WDC the one year they were teammates

Theres nothing to see, Alonso is at the twilight of his career and Lewis is just coming into his peak

Lewis would likely do to Alonso what Alonso did to Raikonnen if Alonso was at Merc right now in the best car on the grid, why? becuase Alonsos strengths are hustling a donkey of a car around the track and driving it to results it doesnt deserve, he is not the fastest qualifier, Nico would have him also and his race craft and fuel management are inferior to Lewis' as well as this strategic and tactical awareness

Evdience, unable to pass the rookie Petrov for a WDC - who really thinks Lewis would not have dusted Petrov with guile and cunning?

Lets all forget the cliches for a moment and think of Alonso vs Lewis in the Merc - Alonso would be spanked silly because Lewis is faster, and has better racecraft so alonso would have no answer, not even like Nico did with his Finnish sheer speed

Apart from un reliability , Alonso would be beaten in quali and the race almost every weekend in the Merc as Lewis would be able to get away with little quali errors that he couldbt against Nico, and once on pole how would Alonso overtake the faster and better racecraft?

[sagi58]

Saw this on the internet earlier and thought it would be of interest. It compares the performance of all drivers to calculate who would be the best driver if all cars were equal based on performance this year.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/11 ... -rankings/

That obviously took a lot of time and effort to put together.
And, it's just as obvious that it won't take long for some fans
to belittle the work of others, especially when they don't agree.

edit: oops... not as fast on the draw as I used to be!!

That's the only thing Alonso has won this year, a fantasy what if scenario. How low the mighty have fallen eh? Roses are red and violets are blue.

Well, to be fair, there have been a lot of discussions around "what if" in most of the threads,
so what's wrong with this one? Well, besides the fact that it doesn't categorically state that
Hamilton is the best in the west, north, sound and east.

I say why stop at naming Alonso number one? I say let's award him the virtual trophy, after all I'm sure in this analysis Ferrari came to the grid with a good engine, since all things are equal. Must be so sad to support a team that's going backwards fast.

Don't waste your pity on me!! Ferrari's next run of success will be all the sweeter, after this!!