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#421714

Quick question OB, why didnt Nico qualify on pole with the faster setup? I take it you have heard of park ferme? Or do you think Lewis is just so much faster and smarter that is able to beat Nico even in a slower car.


Rosberg likely had his car tuned more for the race while Hamilton went for a fast qually lap. And as racechick astutely points out below both drivers were on Hamilton's setup after Rosberg's dismal Friday experiments, Rosberg just seemed to make it his own and got an amazing drive out of it.



Before quali it was reported that Nico would be reverting to Lewis' set up as the experimental one he tried didn't work. So if he had a winning set up, it was down to Lewis. That's said, Nico has given Lewis a run for his money in quali, there aren't many that can live with Lewis' one lap speed but Nico has shown that sometimes he can, credit there. ( but the quali scores are somewhat skewed by Minavo, Hokenheim and Hungary...is it Hungary? The engine fire one? ) . It's in race conditions and direct combat that Nico can't live with Lewis. Lewis was cruising on Sunday, it was a stroll in the park.
And I agree Austin, barring unforeseen circumstances will be Lewis'.



Again, the only thing I've heard re set up for quali v race is Lewis saying he's got things wrong before by setting the car too much for quali and not enough for the race, this was in regards to Japan, but evidence suggests he tends to favour setting up for the race rather than quali.
Rosberg did well to get second, the best recovery of his mistake he could have done. But he didn't overtake 18 cars as you said, it was ten cars. He wasn't a pitstop down on everyone else, he wasjust out of synch on tyres that could have done a whole race , and you haven't addressed the issue that Hamilton was cruising. Or the issue that even if Rosberg had got past Lewis and made the move stick( something he's been unable to do all season) Lewis would have taken him back ( something he has done this season)


I had likened the race in Sochi to that of Monaco this year where Rosberg was ahead on a track where overtaking is difficult. Hamilton trailed Rosberg by about a second the whole race (until the whole dirt in the eye thing) and he couldn't find a way past. Rosberg certainly had the pace do this in Sochi as well as also the ability to make the tires last 52 laps without deg which no one else on track was able to do, just look a Bottas who was on much fresher tires yet had troubles with degradation. Rosberg was able to save a pit stop and gained himself a good race result.


He didn't save himself a pitstop, he was on the harder tyre, the ones that did extra stops were on the softer ones. And I forgot to add that of the ten cars Rosberg overtook on track ( ie not by regaining position when they took their pitstop) all except two of them finished outside the points. Put another way, of the point scoring cars , Rosberg overtook only two, Kimi and Bottas.


He was somehow able to make the harder compound tire essentially just as fast as the soft but still last more than 50 laps.

You will remember when Massa on new softs was running behind Rosberg on his new hards that Rosberg was able to run at a pace faster than Massa when Massa should have been past and scampering off. In fact he was as fast or faster than all the cars on softs except for his teammate who he did match on the laps just before Hamilton pitted. And when the rest had switched to the new hards Rosberg was still faster than them all again with only Bottas providing comparable lap times. But Rosberg had 27+ lap older tires!

Looking at the lap times it shows that Rosberg indeed had a perfect setup/driving style and was able to run those hards as fast as softs and still do without a pitstop for the whole race. Quite a feat when you think about it.

Any way that is what I saw when comparing lap times of the top drivers. Here is the link, maybe I am missing something.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/10/12/2 ... test-laps/

ps. The most consistent driver on the track was Button, his graph is straight as an arrow and fast lap after lap. Good job by Button.
ps2. Perhaps running with Hamilton's setup for the rest of the races will give Rosberg the edge he needs.
ps3. Rosberg must be kicking himself for his bonehead mistake messing up his pass for the lead. Just think of how fast he would have been on the softs! He could have had a relatively easy win.
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#421716
He was somehow able to make the harder compound tire essentially just as fast as the soft but still last more than 50 laps.

You will remember when Massa on new softs was running behind Rosberg on his new hards that Rosberg was able to run at a pace faster than Massa when Massa should have been past and scampering off. In fact he was as fast or faster than all the cars on softs except for his teammate who he did match on the laps just before Hamilton pitted. And when the rest had switched to the new hards Rosberg was still faster than them all again with only Bottas providing comparable lap times. But Rosberg had 27+ lap older tires!

Looking at the lap times it shows that Rosberg indeed had a perfect setup/driving style and was able to run those hards as fast as softs and still do without a pitstop for the whole race. Quite a feat when you think about it.

Any way that is what I saw when comparing lap times of the top drivers. Here is the link, maybe I am missing something.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/10/12/2 ... test-laps/

ps. The most consistent driver on the track was Button, his graph is straight as an arrow and fast lap after lap. Good job by Button.
ps2. Perhaps running with Hamilton's setup for the rest of the races will give Rosberg the edge he needs.
ps3. Rosberg must be kicking himself for his bonehead mistake messing up his pass or the lead. Just think of how fast he would have been on the softs! He could have had a relatively easy win.


It shouldn't even be a conversation that includes how the other drivers performed and on which tyre and for how long on which compound versus Rosberg because as we all have seen this year, the Mercedes is more than just the power unit. It is also the best chassis, suiting all circuits. Nico was supposed to pass and pull away from cars with fresher rubber on this particular track...because of 1. the nature of the track and 2. using Lewis' setup. If he didn't make it up to P2 it would have been a big fail...or in this case, a second big fail in the same race. The only comparison that can be made on this particular track would be Lewis vs Nico racing each other but we didn't have that opportunity. The result would have been the same, Lewis winning. 1. Lewis is better at Lewis' setup than Nico and 2. on every head-to-head between the pair of them, Nico consistently loses. And we shouldn't expect that to change any time soon. Nico is Nico. He's gonna have to be daft (like taking Lewis out or make a shyte of qualifying ala Monaco) to beat Lewis because he proved to us he's not quite up for Lewis' pace over a race distance. That's not even remotely close to being debatable.
#421717
Again overboost just because Nico set a faster lap than Lewis (by about 0.3) doesn't mean he would have dominated the race. What proof do you have that Hamilton was pushing 100%? Was Rosberg gunning for lap time? Forget about Massa, the Merc is a much faster car anyway so count him out of trying to stay with him.
#421720
Again overboost just because Nico set a faster lap than Lewis (by about 0.3) doesn't mean he would have dominated the race. What proof do you have that Hamilton was pushing 100%? Was Rosberg gunning for lap time? Forget about Massa, the Merc is a much faster car anyway so count him out of trying to stay with him.


Lewis said he was just cruising for two-thirds of the race. He could push when he needed to but then just settled into a rhythm and took it easy. He had nothing to prove being that far out in front. So anyone taking any kinda delight in Nico having a faster lap at any point in the race is just failing to see the obvious.
#421722
It's funny how only certain drivers get the lions' share of the negative stigma. Lewis whines, Vettel fingers, Jenson lacks grip, Alonso back stabs, but certain drivers don't get any stigma regardless what they do.

Kimi obviously falls into the other type of category. But based on what I've seen, I think Nico will walk away from this season with clean hands. Without the stigma of playing dirty, being hard on tires, or not being able to manage fuel load well. Whether he wins the championship or not. That's just how it goes for some people.


Nico's stigma is that he is a cerebral driver who isn't any more cerebral than your average bear afterall.

Unfortunately, the original premise is not based on anything Nico has personally said or done; it's a piece of journalistic make-believe, which has become an obsessive stick to beat him with by people who don't like him, or those who like to simplify the world to make it more digestible.

It's born out of the ridiculous, reductionist notion that qaulifications make the intellect. And if you're stupid enough to believe that then good luck to you.

If you think he's overrated then look at the people doing the rating not the person being rated.
#421753
It's funny how only certain drivers get the lions' share of the negative stigma. Lewis whines, Vettel fingers, Jenson lacks grip, Alonso back stabs, but certain drivers don't get any stigma regardless what they do.

Kimi obviously falls into the other type of category. But based on what I've seen, I think Nico will walk away from this season with clean hands. Without the stigma of playing dirty, being hard on tires, or not being able to manage fuel load well. Whether he wins the championship or not. That's just how it goes for some people.


Nico's stigma is that he is a cerebral driver who isn't any more cerebral than your average bear afterall.

Unfortunately, the original premise is not based on anything Nico has personally said or done; it's a piece of journalistic make-believe, which has become an obsessive stick to beat him with by people who don't like him, or those who like to simplify the world to make it more digestible.

It's born out of the ridiculous, reductionist notion that qaulifications make the intellect. And if you're stupid enough to believe that then good luck to you.

If you think he's overrated then look at the people doing the rating not the person being rated.

You'd say the same about Lewis and his stigma surely then?
#421758
err what happened to that post. :hehe:
#421780
Bottas had no issues with tyre deg on the primes overboost, he did struggle towards the end of his soft stint though. Bottas actually said that he struggled to switch the tyre on which is why he was yoyoing in terms of pace when he was on the primes. I'm sure Lewis could have done the same thing as Nico too, mind you Lewis is not hard on his tyres anymore and is a very economical in terms of fuel. Remember Nico said mid way through the race after cars ahead started pitting his tyres started coming back to him and he started lapping quickly while Lewis was cruising up front. I'm sure Hamilton would have had to pace to beat Nico - I mean, he was the fastest car for pretty much the whole weekend.

The right car won on Sunday.



Nin-Chin That is the trouble I was referring to. Rosberg didn't go through that difficult phase, somehow he was able to be fast through out the entire race distance. As I said a winning setup.

I am not sure that we can just say that the right car won on Sunday though.

Hamilton had made an error in giving Rosberg the inside line going into the turn 2. It was Rosberg's corner and if he hadn't made his amateur hour mistake and maintained the lead I think it would have been very difficult for Hamilton to pass him on that track and also with only one pitstop where Rosberg would have had the advantage with first choice of pit strategy.

It would have been interesting to have seen that battle, the race as it turned out was very boring.

Anyway the great track in Texas is next. Should be a good race, hopefully with lots of passing.
#421783
Bottas had no issues with tyre deg on the primes overboost, he did struggle towards the end of his soft stint though. Bottas actually said that he struggled to switch the tyre on which is why he was yoyoing in terms of pace when he was on the primes. I'm sure Lewis could have done the same thing as Nico too, mind you Lewis is not hard on his tyres anymore and is a very economical in terms of fuel. Remember Nico said mid way through the race after cars ahead started pitting his tyres started coming back to him and he started lapping quickly while Lewis was cruising up front. I'm sure Hamilton would have had to pace to beat Nico - I mean, he was the fastest car for pretty much the whole weekend.

The right car won on Sunday.



Nin-Chin That is the trouble I was referring to. Rosberg didn't go through that difficult phase, somehow he was able to be fast through out the entire race distance. As I said a winning setup.

I am not sure that we can just say that the right car won on Sunday though.

Hamilton had made an error in giving Rosberg the inside line going into the turn 2. It was Rosberg's corner and if he hadn't made his amateur hour mistake and maintained the lead I think it would have been very difficult for Hamilton to pass him on that track and also with only one pitstop where Rosberg would have had the advantage with first choice of pit strategy.

It would have been interesting to have seen that battle, the race as it turned out was very boring.

Anyway the great track in Texas is next. Should be a good race, hopefully with lots of passing.


Because of this the right car did not win on Sunday?.........HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA clutching at straws has a whole new meaning now!!!!
#421784
Hamilton had made an error in giving Rosberg the inside line going into the turn 2. It was Rosberg's corner.....


Ha ha ha ha . You are comical.

Hamilton let him have that inside line as he knew Rosberg would never make the corner.

Rosberg locked up because he was going too fast for the tight line he had. The only way for him not to have locked up would of been to brake earlier or be going slowe . In both cases Hamilton would of taken the corner easy.
#421785
There seems to be such confidence within Hamilton about what he is doing that he did not even really defend when Rosberg came down the inside of him heading into the first corner in Russia at the weekend.

That is very unusual - a lot of drivers make very aggressive moves at the start to defend their position.
I found that fascinating. It was almost as if he was saying casually: "Oh, OK, he's passed me. I'll get him back. I've got 53 laps to do this."

Or perhaps he had such confidence in his ability on the brakes - where he had an advantage over Rosberg into that corner all weekend - that he was thinking: "Well, let's see how this works out when we get into the braking zone."

It was a very solid weekend from Hamilton, who appeared to have an advantage throughout.
Rosberg's error on the brakes at the start, locking up and going straight on, was the latest in a string of mistakes in recent races.
#421786
But Rosberg is still better because he did what Hamilton didn't need to do....push the car on tyres suffering no deg to make up for his big f*ck up in Turn 1 on Lap 1. :rofl:
#421789
But Rosberg is still better because he did what Hamilton didn't need to do....push the car on tyres suffering no deg to make up for his big f*ck up in Turn 1 on Lap 1. :rofl:


But now even Nico is piling the butthurt on his 'fans'

It’s just thanks to my car. My car was unbelievable today and that’s what allowed me to come back through the field.

"In hindsight actually I could have pushed more during the race. It’s always easy to know afterwards, but my tyres were fine. So that’s a pity."


Sky Sports join the fun
“Nico looks like he is running out of ideas about how to haul in Lewis, it looked a little bit desperate into Turn Two,” observed Sky F1’s Damon Hill
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