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[CookinFlat6]

Agreed, give it up Cooks. Why bother wasting your time on Mr & Mrs Mea Culpa at this stage, its easier to just point and laugh.

Its not the mea or even the culpa, its the principle

when 'correcting' someone, it makes sense to have a reason. Ofcourse i will be interested in understanding where the errors are, and if someone insists why should i just accept especialy when they have a long history of mea culpas?

thats part of the problem with society niowadays - no one cares about detail or truth or the power or meaning of words and concepts - its acceptable to just say things for the effect or stick in a whip smiley or a joke that sounds like they just said something of any use to the society at large

'as long as I feel I have been witty, i must have been witty, i just have to brazen it out'

no wonder theres no backbone left in most countries in the so called 'first world' - everyones given up on integrity and its just lying and stealing and pretending

[What's Burning?]

I take offense with that, you can be both witty and factual!

[CookinFlat6]

I see what you did there

[What's Burning?]

It's just an F1 race and this is just a forumula one forum. It's not that serious as to equate it with the errosion of society.

Let's put a fork in this thread. Lot's of good discussion in the Austin thread.

[CookinFlat6]

I hear you WB, and I would normally just can it upon request so i hope you will forgive me if I just add one more bit

The internet and social spaces etc are not just 'the internet' anymore, this is todays frontline in propaganda and the actual shaping of society. Its no longer television, and if you step back you know Im right, and i know you know this. Not saying this F1 site has much to do with society at large etc however we are all going through a massive window as people come to grips with the new frontier and how to police or regulate it. Its still the wild west relatively speaking but that will change as it becomes mature.
So any little forum is part of the fabric of the big changes going on in how culture and societies will be guided

That old saying - keyboard warrior used in derision by those out of step is more alarming in its reality than we can imagine - it is precisely keyboard warriors working for the government and secret services and hidden lobbies and societies that do their war nowadays on the web. This warriors are actually becoming more important than the grunt with his rifle on the ground. this is a fact - the most covert and important departments in the security services are these keyboard warriors, just like the CIA in the fifties destabilising and fermenting action in countries were they wanted a change this is the frontline here.

So if its important enough for them, then we must accept that everything we do or say even on our little cosy F1 forum is now part of what makes up todays society etc tec

yes this is extreme and yes you know i can get 'carried away' on rants about seemingly little things but all of us have to have as much integrity here i=as in the real world, if I saw a guy hitting a girl or kid or smaller guy I would not hesitate to intervene, and if someone is talking out of their arse especially under the guise of a quasi editor or censor then I am not gonna keep quiet

we are all responsible for our governments and for our collective society and the outcomes - there is no 'their fault' we all have to do our bit instead of complain and that starts with the small things

/rant over - apologies for going on

[The Second Coming]

It's just an F1 race and this is just a forumula one forum. It's not that serious as to equate it with the errosion of society.

Let's put a fork in this thread. Lot's of good discussion in the Austin thread.

Cheesecake, emoticon with rolling pin and "put a fork in it"...am I the only one that's suddenly hungry?

[sagi58]

Common ground, at last:

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“The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.”

[Roth]

Who is stronger mentally roth?

It's not that simple.

It never is, is it with the likes of yourself, unless its Lewis in question, then its straightforward

Lewis makes a few mistakes - he has a mental weakness, Nico has mentally beaten him, Nico is much stronger intellectually

Nico makes several mistakes - blahblahblahpsychobabablahblahrelativeblahblahinstinctblahblahbehindclosedblahdoorsblahblah

you are at least consistent with the inconsistency

It's only inconsistent if you're super-sensitive about Hamilton. And reduce everything to sound bites.

This post of yours is a perfect example of inconstency. Previously it was all my psychobabble about Hamilton blahblahblah. Now apparently I didn't do that, and simply made definitive statements (which look like you've pulled out of thin air), and I now only employ psychobabble with Nico blahblahblah to blind you with science. Or am i just part of the tifosi now as the world looms in on your Lewis bubble? Anything non or anti-Hamilton just gets lumped in together as the big stupid world outside. Watch out, cookie, we're coming to get you.

[overboost]

Please, allow me to savor the delightful experience unfolding before me, before we see what winter testing has in store for us. It's funny how no one wanted the EBD changed mid season, it's hilarious how there was an uproar when the engine mappings were changed mid season for one race. The mid season tire change last year? Remember the backlash at that? But this year, it's imperative that we allow mis season upgrades. it's killing competition, the sport is eroding.

Let me tell you, I can think of a dozen things that are very wrong in the sport before we even get to the subject of the engine development freeze.

Mercedes Benz 2014 WCC. That sounds so nice. In the sport just 4 seasons and they've achieved what the stalwart titans haven't been able to achieve in twice that time. I hope Honda come in with just as good a power plant as Mercedes next year as we'd see the struggling whiners fall behind yet another newcomer.

The sweet, sweet taste of victory, Mercedes Benz 2014 WCC, could be made sweeter still with another WDC for the guy you love to hate.

What could be more important than engines? You do realize this is a automobile racing series not some board game. And you have a dozen priorities ahead of these poorly developed engines. Please post them as I would love to find out what you think is important. I bet competitive racing isn't one of them!

And count on the Mercedes legal/backroom team to have a plan if Honda enters with a faster car than Merc next year. They will be crying foul and having that engine encumbered with further controls. After all we all saw how they influenced the supposed impartial, independent International Tribunal last season. Merc even got to publicly declare their own so called punishment over their secret testing.

These guys are all about winning off track keeping any real on track competition to a minimum.

[overboost]

And yes the way the race developed with Rosberg giving himself a 25 second or more penalty it did allow Hamilton to the opportunity manage the gap at the end. But Rosberg was did surprisingly well on those old tires, even Hamilton commented to that effect. Had Nico taken the lead at the start I don't think Hamilton could have done much about it, very similar to Monaco.

There was zero deg, you should invest $10 or so in bernies F1 ap for live timings, its now even got team radio. Apart from proper fuel usage ithas all the data you would need to make informed judgements and avoid the gaps that can occur without the data.

Tyre deg comes from the tyre wearing down through abrasive contact with the tarmac. this is likely to do with the inefficiency of old surfaces, where the smooth man made asphalty stuff has become overpowered by nature in the form of stones andturf pushing and all sorts of otherthings in the ground making a bid for frreedom. So this deg comes from the road not working as well as it was designed - to be even smooth and consistent. This consistency is mana from heaven to rubber. and just like your road car an F1 car can go for miles and miles before the road has worn the rubber to the point that tyre performance suffers, at that point you dont have much rubber left and are down to the other stuff which dont reall go fast.

That track was brand new, there were no bumps from frass trying to come out, there waere no exposed little stones , in fact it was like a carpet.

Now, I was watching the lap times very closley, and I can report that lewis had zero deg (no drop at all in laptime) till he changed to the medium, and again no deg rite till the end - he also made some purple sectors in the last couple of laps, so did Nico. Bottas suffered some deg before his pitstop and didnt rag the tyres so much on the second stint. So the Mercs both had zero deg. Nico overheated his tyres a few times thru bad racecraft causing a drop in performance but as soon as he wised up and didnt work em round the corners the performance came right back

So I am afraid to have to educate you on the basics, but neither driver suffered any noticeable deg. Its possible bot drivers could have gone on for another 50 laps - we dont know this. So to say Nico had a good setup you would have to show that he was able to close the gap to Lewis - he wasnt Lewis responded at will - not to Nico closing but to Nico trying to get away from Bottas

oh yeah Lewis was surprised by the tyres not by Nico

Why pursue argumentum ad ignorantiam when, you could actually talk with knowledge just by taking the time to think things through?

That is an amazing accomplishment that Nico was able to negate any degradation to that of Hamilton's tires which were 30 laps younger and he was still able to set a fastest lap 3 tenths quicker than Hamilton one lap before the end of the race.

Thanks for pointing that out!

[CookinFlat6]

Who is stronger mentally roth?

It's not that simple.

It never is, is it with the likes of yourself, unless its Lewis in question, then its straightforward

Lewis makes a few mistakes - he has a mental weakness, Nico has mentally beaten him, Nico is much stronger intellectually

Nico makes several mistakes - blahblahblahpsychobabablahblahrelativeblahblahinstinctblahblahbehindclosedblahdoorsblahblah

you are at least consistent with the inconsistency

It's only inconsistent if you're super-sensitive about Hamilton. And reduce everything to sound bites.

This post of yours is a perfect example of inconstency. Previously it was all my psychobabble about Hamilton blahblahblah. Now apparently I didn't do that, and simply made definitive statements (which look like you've pulled out of thin air), and I now only employ psychobabble with Nico blahblahblah to blind you with science. Or am i just part of the tifosi now as the world looms in on your Lewis bubble? Anything non or anti-Hamilton just gets lumped in together as the big stupid world outside. Watch out, cookie, we're coming to get you.

haha, I wish

so the psychotherapist roth reemerges - every one on the forum has some kind of issue dont they roth?

all very fancy and dandy and clever as you are, how comes you are unable to answer a simple question????

You told us earlier in the season that Lewis was mentally weak and had met his nemesis in Nicos superior mindset

Is this still the case, yes or no? no blahdeblah required, simple yes or no? were you wrong or is it more complicated than that blah blahdeblah etc

[CookinFlat6]

That is an amazing accomplishment that Nico was able to negate any degradation to that of Hamilton's tires which were 30 laps younger and he was still able to set a fastest lap 3 tenths quicker than Hamilton one lap before the end of the race.

Thanks for pointing that out!

Lewis did not need to go faster thats what i mean - there is no basis for a comparison, they had different motivations at that point, Nico was dealing with bottas, Lewis was dealing with the podium and what to say to Putin. How can you not understand this??????? Put aside your bias and stop pretending to be onjective - there is nothing wrong with bias, just dont try and pretend you are coming from an intellectual pov instead of an emotional one, you can do much better than that as its obvious you are able to reason, put the emotion aside and look at he facts or admit you dont like him and so what - thats ok, its just a different ball game ok?

Now if Nico was really smart as well as faster, he should have realised that he had no deg and so should have been a second a lap quicker than Lewis, he should have used up his tyres completely to catch and pass Lewis who had no need to take chances

ask yourself this - who should be much quicker, the guy with the faster setup who is chasing or the guy with the slower setup who is way out in front because of a bit of luck early in the race, take your time

[Roth]

all very fancy and dandy and clever as you are, how comes you are unable to answer a simple question????

You told us earlier in the season that Lewis was mentally weak and had met his nemesis in Nicos superior mindset

Is this still the case, yes or no? no blahdeblah required, simple yes or no? were you wrong or is it more complicated than that blah blahdeblah etc

I didn't say that middle line but that almost goes without saying now.

And as for the yes or no, it's the wrong question, extended from the wrong sound bites you've got ringing in your ears. You lead yourself down the wrong path. That's why I can't answer it.

[CookinFlat6]

What did you actually mean early in the season when you said Lewis fans just had to face up to the facts that he was mentally week and that Nico was stronger mentally, what say you now ?
Do you still think the above yes or no?

( please dont make me dig out your prvious. posts to remind you exactly what posted)

[overboost]

That is an amazing accomplishment that Nico was able to negate any degradation to that of Hamilton's tires which were 30 laps younger and he was still able to set a fastest lap 3 tenths quicker than Hamilton one lap before the end of the race.

Thanks for pointing that out!

Lewis did not need to go faster thats what i mean - there is no basis for a comparison, they had different motivations at that point, Nico was dealing with bottas, Lewis was dealing with the podium and what to say to Putin. How can you not understand this??????? Put aside your bias and stop pretending to be onjective - there is nothing wrong with bias, just dont try and pretend you are coming from an intellectual pov instead of an emotional one, you can do much better than that as its obvious you are able to reason, put the emotion aside and look at he facts or admit you dont like him and so what - thats ok, its just a different ball game ok?

Now if Nico was really smart as well as faster, he should have realised that he had no deg and so should have been a second a lap quicker than Lewis, he should have used up his tyres completely to catch and pass Lewis who had no need to take chances

ask yourself this - who should be much quicker, the guy with the faster setup who is chasing or the guy with the slower setup who is way out in front because of a bit of luck early in the race, take your time

To bad cookin but you already gave up that argument with your clever analysis of the timing data. According to you Rosberg had to stop pushing in the corners to keep the deg under control. So basically he maxed out his tires but still got 30 extra laps and managed to set a time 3 tenths quicker than Hamilton. Amazing drive I would say proven by your most intelligent analysis.

Oh and he did all this while moving from virtually last to second place passing 18 cars while his teammate had the open road.

That's what I would call a winning setup if not for his bonehead mistake giving the lead back to Hamilton.