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[spankyham]

... the engines were similarily frozen of ALL dvelopment not just in season for the best part of the previous decade.

The last engine change started in 2006 and was essentially the V8's used until last year. The first year of that engines use there was free and unfettered engine changes allowed throughout the whole season.
In the years that followed, the FiA allowed what they called engine "re-equalisations".

The engines were certainly not "frozen from ALL development" for the last decade

when did the best part (more than half) of a decade become 'for the last' decade

and did you forget to read the part I described the mechanism of equalisation for the current era therefore setting the context for anyone with a brain that a similar process must have occured in the previous era if they were frozen for the best part of the decade?

reequalisation is frozen after equalisation with only relaiblity updates - its was Renault so far behind that caused the reequalisation to drag on

I think the mea culpas are on you - why do you even bother

Maybe even one of those mea culpas would be too much for you.

I simply and correctly pointed out that engines were not frozen from ALL development for either all or the best part of the last decade. I also pointed out that in the first year of the last new engine, teams were freely allowed to make engine changes.

Fancy trying one of those mea culpas now?

[What's Burning?]

Has anyone even tried to make a Mea Culpa? I said I don't have access to Tuaca!

[spankyham]

Team will have the opportunity to change up to 50% of all engine components with next year's engines. You'd think given that, everyone should come to parity given the fact that they know exactly where they went wrong with this year's engine. Honda on the other hand has no yardstick. They will be frozen next year with the engine they bring.


Make the best engine you can at the beginning of the year because you won't be able to change it until the following year is a pretty easy, and pretty economical rule. Some teams have to pay for their engines you know.

The teams will be able to make improvements, but Mercedes will improve too. I think 2 years is a realistic time frame to catch up.

[CookinFlat6]

Team will have the opportunity to change up to 50% of all engine components with next year's engines. You'd think given that, everyone should come to parity given the fact that they know exactly where they went wrong with this year's engine. Honda on the other hand has no yardstick. They will be frozen next year with the engine they bring.


Make the best engine you can at the beginning of the year because you won't be able to change it until the following year is a pretty easy, and pretty economical rule. Some teams have to pay for their engines you know.

Honda has McLaren's Mercedes as yardstick.

Thats exactly the point Max-DD - normally the engines are never gonna be far apart even if 20 manufacturers design cmpetitive units in secret - I mean how many ways can we make the best V8 - not many is the answer. However with these Hybrids merc were just on a different level of orgnisation, commitment and cleverness. Only Honda have the resources to challenge them (were they to spend the cash and commit their unrivalled hybrid tech engine resources)

The other engine makers had a concept that was plain lame compared to Mercs - Ferrari buys a third party turbo and installs it (ROFL) - so to change the whole concept wuill be more than the agreed 50% or whatever - so they want more - inseason - not to compete with Merc but to stop Honda embarrassing them further

because Honda having had the clever (in hindsight) idea to wait and see will most definetely have copied Mercs concept and will be closer to merc out the box than the 2 lame ducks, so unless in season testing is allowed Merc and probably Honda will be untouchable for the 2 lame ducks over the whole of 2015, hence Alonso leaving Ferrari is a NO BRAINER if he ends up at Merc or McHonda

[spankyham]

Has anyone even tried to make a Mea Culpa? I said I don't have access to Tuaca!

What's the recipe again?

[The Second Coming]

Has anyone even tried to make a Mea Culpa? I said I don't have access to Tuaca!

What's the recipe again?

Emm...two parts sugar, pound and a half of cream cheese, five eggs...wait, that's my cheesecake recipe. Never mind!

[spankyham]

Has anyone even tried to make a Mea Culpa? I said I don't have access to Tuaca!

What's the recipe again?

Emm...two parts sugar, pound and a half of cream cheese, five eggs...wait, that's my cheesecake recipe. Never mind!

Mea culpas and cheesecake ..... can it get any better

[What's Burning?]

Has anyone even tried to make a Mea Culpa? I said I don't have access to Tuaca!

What's the recipe again?

5 dashes of Angostura bitters
3 oz of Prosecco
1 oz of Tuaca
1/2 oz of Limoncello
Pour all the ingredients into a glass filled with crushed ice
& a slice of lemon as garnish

I toned it down, it was too bitter.

[spankyham]

Has anyone even tried to make a Mea Culpa? I said I don't have access to Tuaca!

What's the recipe again?

5 dashes of Angostura bitters
3 oz of Prosecco
1 oz of Tuaca
1/2 oz of Limoncello
Pour all the ingredients into a glass filled with crushed ice
& a slice of lemon as garnish

I toned it down, it was too bitter.

I just Googled "mea culpa cocktail" and it brings up a very cool looking bar in New Zealand

[CookinFlat6]

... the engines were similarily frozen of ALL dvelopment not just in season for the best part of the previous decade.

The last engine change started in 2006 and was essentially the V8's used until last year. The first year of that engines use there was free and unfettered engine changes allowed throughout the whole season.
In the years that followed, the FiA allowed what they called engine "re-equalisations".

The engines were certainly not "frozen from ALL development" for the last decade

when did the best part (more than half) of a decade become 'for the last' decade

and did you forget to read the part I described the mechanism of equalisation for the current era therefore setting the context for anyone with a brain that a similar process must have occured in the previous era if they were frozen for the best part of the decade?

reequalisation is frozen after equalisation with only relaiblity updates - its was Renault so far behind that caused the reequalisation to drag on

I think the mea culpas are on you - why do you even bother

Maybe even one of those mea culpas would be too much for you.

I simply and correctly pointed out that engines were not frozen from ALL development for either all or the best part of the last decade. I also pointed out that in the first year of the last new engine, teams were freely allowed to make engine changes.

Fancy trying one of those mea culpas now?

perhaps you forgot that this is not the safe private lounge where the truth is not required?

You didnt correct anything - what I said was exactly correct in principle and did exactly what it was designed to do explain the freeze in relation to RBRs winning run. All you have done is to try pick irrelevant pedantic points and even then you have failed.
I did not say the freeze was the whole of the last era or to be pedantic even the whole decade - so theres a fail for you
and they were frozen after the equalisation period in principle - no performance gain war - were there a few changes for reliability or for Renault to catchup further on power? not a developemnt unfreeze - so another big fail

Anyway i will leave it there with the time honoured mechanism of debate conclusion - let the audience decide who deserves your mea culpa

[LRW]

to be honest, at this point, I dont think anyone cares.

[What's Burning?]

to be honest, at this point, I dont think anyone cares.

...who's culpa it is.

[Hammer278]

Agreed, give it up Cooks. Why bother wasting your time on Mr & Mrs Mea Culpa at this stage, its easier to just point and laugh.

[LRW]

...or just find something else to talk about?

[The Second Coming]

to be honest, at this point, I dont think anyone cares.

...who's culpa it is.

Apparently it's some girl named Mia but I believe she spells it Mea. I think she's italian.

Such fun!