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By sagi58
#417418
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


Why is it BS? You have to agree surely that going on the past five years or so Alonso would do better in a Red Bull than in a Ferrari?...

These past five years have been about the car... pretty well ANY driver on the grid would have done better in the Red Bull
than on their respective teams, starting with Kimi, going on to Hamilton and including Rosberg.
By What's Burning?
#417420
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


Why is it BS? You have to agree surely that going on the past five years or so Alonso would do better in a Red Bull than in a Ferrari?...

These past five years have been about the car... pretty well ANY driver on the grid would have done better in the Red Bull
than on their respective teams, starting with Kimi, going on to Hamilton and including Rosberg.

What's been keeping Ferrari from having "the" car? :shrug:
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By Jabberwocky
#417421
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


Why is it BS? You have to agree surely that going on the past five years or so Alonso would do better in a Red Bull than in a Ferrari?...

These past five years have been about the car... pretty well ANY driver on the grid would have done better in the Red Bull
than on their respective teams, starting with Kimi, going on to Hamilton and including Rosberg.

What about Webber?

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By CookinFlat6
#417425
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


:rofl:

is that the limit to your intellectual output???

why dont you tell us why its Bs, have some confidence in your opinion, expand a little, push the boat out, dont just head for the ad hominem (means to discredit your intellectual opponent instead of his argument - a long established cop out for the intellectually deficient would be master debater) exit without staking your claim
Come on have a go, give us the chance to intellectually rough you up a little, let me help

Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced - bs? why - produce an argument
Ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. - bs? why - produce an argument
Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front - bs? why - produce an argument

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO - note the IMO, but you are welcome to produce a contra opinion to render mine BS - hint - supply a premise then provide some basis for the premise - so its bs that no one will get remotely near the 2015 Merc - whats your premise, mine is the precedent of 2014

But if you prefer to stick to the one line hit and run banditry you will be truly advancing the credibility and reputation of the current Ferrari members here :thumbup:

There are a few F1 fans on here who have integrity and self respect and have the brain power to find this gem on Wiki by typing 'forum debate'
Debate is a method of interactive and representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than deductive reasoning, which only examines whether a conclusion is a consequence of premises, and factual argument, which only examines what is or isn't the case, or rhetoric, which is a technique of persuasion. Though logical consistency, factual accuracy and some degree of emotional appeal to the audience are important elements of the art of persuasion, in debating, one side often prevails over the other side by presenting a superior "context" and/or framework of the issue, which is far more subtle and strategic. The outcome of a debate depends upon consensus or some formal way of reaching a resolution, rather than the objective facts as such. In a formal debating contest, there are rules for participants to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact.


but I suspect we will hear jack squat from dorothy once the seat belts have been tightened
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By racechick
#417443
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


Why is it BS? You have to agree surely that going on the past five years or so Alonso would do better in a Red Bull than in a Ferrari?...

These past five years have been about the car... pretty well ANY driver on the grid would have done better in the Red Bull
than on their respective teams, starting with Kimi, going on to Hamilton and including Rosberg.


Exactly!!! So why F2004 said it was a pile of BS when Cookie suggested Alonso would do better at Red Bull than Ferrari is beyond me. :shrug: It was an emotive ill thought out response.
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By sagi58
#417444
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


Why is it BS? You have to agree surely that going on the past five years or so Alonso would do better in a Red Bull than in a Ferrari?...

These past five years have been about the car... pretty well ANY driver on the grid would have done better in the Red Bull
than on their respective teams, starting with Kimi, going on to Hamilton and including Rosberg.

What's been keeping Ferrari from having "the" car? :shrug:

That wasn't the discussion!!
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By sagi58
#417445
Time to start a new thread: F2004/Cookinflat6!

There seems to be a recurring theme, eh? :banghead:
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By sagi58
#417448
The only hope is that Alonso does go to Red Bull. Chances are he would get more out of the season than Ricc who is not as experienced. ferrari have a lot more work to do than MM originally thought. Its not just speed its a whole fundamental change needed to get them regularly at the front

Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO


Yet another einstein pile of BS.


Why is it BS? You have to agree surely that going on the past five years or so Alonso would do better in a Red Bull than in a Ferrari?...

These past five years have been about the car... pretty well ANY driver on the grid would have done better in the Red Bull
than on their respective teams, starting with Kimi, going on to Hamilton and including Rosberg.


Exactly!!! So why F2004 said it was a pile of BS when Cookie suggested Alonso would do better at Red Bull than Ferrari is beyond me. :shrug: It was an emotive ill thought out response.


It's BS because Cookin wasn't talking about the last five years.
He was talking about the next two and where he thinks Alonso would do better.
Considering neither Red Bull nor Ferrari are on the same level as Mercedes YET,
this was yet another not-so-subtle swipe at Ferrari!!

In the Ferrari support thread... wow... how is that not obvious?
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By racechick
#417451
Time to start a new thread: F2004/Cookinflat6!

There seems to be a recurring theme, eh? :banghead:


Why do you suggest a Cookie/ F2004 thread? There have been responses from several people to F2004's views. You keep reminding us that this is a Ferrari support thread yet you are talking about other posters instead of Ferrari.

And based on this year Cookie is still correct in his statement because Red Bull is a better car than Ferrari this year however much that upsets you and other Tifosi.
By CookinFlat6
#417457
Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO

It's BS because Cookin wasn't talking about the last five years.
He was talking about the next two and where he thinks Alonso would do better.


:doh:

Time to start a new thread: F2004/Cookinflat6!
There seems to be a recurring theme, eh? :banghead:


:rofl: we should have a new thread called Mea Culpa in Lalaland where I can school you and your new :doh: mates, all at the same time while managing a (true and factual) critical support swipe at the team that managed to finish 10th due to a penalty to a Jordan ahead -
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By sagi58
#417461
Gotta be RBR at least for 2015, no one else will be getting remotely near the Merc 2015 Hybrid IMO

It's BS because Cookin wasn't talking about the last five years.
He was talking about the next two and where he thinks Alonso would do better.


:doh:

Time to start a new thread: F2004/Cookinflat6!
There seems to be a recurring theme, eh? :banghead:


:rofl: we should have a new thread called Mea Culpa in Lalaland where I can school you and your new :doh: mates, all at the same time while managing a (true and factual) critical support swipe at the team that managed to finish 10th due to a penalty to a Jordan ahead -


Yup... always respectful... never calls anyone names...
accepts people have differing opinions...

NOT!!
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By sagi58
#417462
Time to start a new thread: F2004/Cookinflat6!

There seems to be a recurring theme, eh? :banghead:


Why do you suggest a Cookie/ F2004 thread? There have been responses from several people to F2004's views. You keep reminding us that this is a Ferrari support thread yet you are talking about other posters instead of Ferrari.

And based on this year Cookie is still correct in his statement because Red Bull is a better car than Ferrari this year however much that upsets you and other Tifosi.


RC, I think your account has been hacked! :yikes:
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By racechick
#417463
Ferrari thread guys! Let's talk about Ferrari in here not other members.

Edit: my account is perfectly secure, and my views are my own.
By CookinFlat6
#417464
It's BS because Cookin wasn't talking about the last five years.
He was talking about the next two and where he thinks Alonso would do better.


Yup... always respectful... never calls anyone names...
accepts people have differing opinions...
NOT!!


:rofl:

differing opinions??? You have differing opinions with yourself

So the last 5 years is all about the car, but the next 2 years isnt??? :yikes:
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By racechick
#417465
seriously now. Back to talking about Ferrari please.
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