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#416257
Yeah I'd agree with Mags penalty as well. This 5 second penalty was a good one....didn't punish him terribly and it's still better than a drive through isn't it? I'm guessing you lose more than 5 seconds for the average drive through.
#416259
The first corner is known for major crashes and I think Bottas played it smart by staying behind Lewis and not move around and risk getting clobbered. Yeah it probably cost him a podium but he picked up healthy 12points and is now sitting above Alonso in the WDC.
#416262
Rosberg is quite clearly starting to tighten up and here's where Lewis's previous experience of battling for the championship comes into play. It's a bit like Webber is 2010. Despite being behind and navigating a lot reliability issues, Hamilton seems the more relaxed.
#416269
I wonder if Rosberg is taken aback by how unpopular his move on Hamilton at Spa was? He seemed to escape with the Monacco one but is getting battered by fans since spa. And I don't believe it's only British fans, it's not like it's happening at Silverstone. He looked uneasy on the podium, maybe it's getting to him?
#416271
Yeah and desperately trying to suck up by talking Italian to the crowds and making the boos echo even louder, I bet the guy is going to be crying himself to sleep tonight.

And his post race interview:

Hamilton's victory brought Rosberg's championship lead down to 22 points, but the German admits he can take comfort from second given the closeness of the title fight.

"For me, of course I'm disappointed now right afterwards but it's still second place and a lot of points so it's not a complete disaster. I have to look at reality. There is worse than that, I only lost seven points to Lewis."

Rosberg says it was disappointing to see the boos which greeted him at the Belgian Grand Prix were still apparent when he took to the podium at Monza.

"It's not nice but what can I say? I have apologised and can't do any more than that. I hope that with time they forgive and forget."

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Further proof of his actual intentions at Spa. If it was a racing misjudgement there is no need to keep apologizing, but he knows everyone else knows what his intentions were at Spa...."if you're going to win we both crash". Why ask people to forget and forgive a simple racing incident? If he was innocent, he'd be adamant in his stance. Instead he's begging for time and forgiveness.

He had no stock before (everyone only talked about Keke) and now his stock is negative. What a way to lead a Championship. :vomit:
#416273
Conflict of interest? :groucho:



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#416278
If the rumour is true that there will be 8 three car teams next year Mercedes should pick up Ricciardo. The way they are driving right now he would the #1 with two #3 drivers in support! :wink:

Seb had a pretty good race, he ran out of tires at the end but only Ricciardo got past. Not so bad overall but he must be pissed to have not been on the best strategy.


If the rumours are true then there is a high chance of Button or Alonso being snatched by Mercedes.



Congratulations to Nico for serving his punishment of letting Lewis one. Sadly he had to cut the chicane twice to let him through because Lewis was not fast enough to take advantage of it the 1st time.


interesting idea :thumbup:

But why would Nico choose to cut the chicane when he had Lewis AND another driver both able to take advantage??

Do you mean Nico is not that smart at all :yikes:

Anthony Davidson laughed at that idea, I too think it's a ridiculous idea. Hamilton would have been very downbeat about a victory like that and would not have wanted that at all.

Ant Davidson reads my posts?

It was already thrown into conversation by the sky team before you had even posted.


Congratulations to Nico for serving his punishment of letting Lewis one. Sadly he had to cut the chicane twice to let him through because Lewis was not fast enough to take advantage of it the 1st time.


interesting idea :thumbup:

But why would Nico choose to cut the chicane when he had Lewis AND another driver both able to take advantage??

Do you mean Nico is not that smart at all :yikes:

Anthony Davidson laughed at that idea, I too think it's a ridiculous idea. Hamilton would have been very downbeat about a victory like that and would not have wanted that at all.


You gotta wonder who they are pandering to when they make these jokes, do they seriously think any serious F1 fan is enough of a blind h8ter to not consider that Massa would have benefitted from the first chicane slip as he was in front AND that it would have been easier to give Nico a delay of 2 seconds in the pit to eliminate the risk of him actually crashing in the chicane ( a guy deliberately running off track is not possible to enforce or regulate or avoid risk of dnfs)

They do it for media attention, got to get people interested, talking, visiting their site for updates... etc



I miss the good old days when spinning up your wheels at the start was was an obvious driver error, today it is all so convenient to blame one of the many acronyms for your mistake. Anyway the car and ers seemed to be working perfectly, it on the pace immediately and was the fastest for the whole race.


Are you blind or stupid? It was obvious what was going on, on the warm up lap he reported the problem and they were trying to resolve the issue before the start but they were unable to and the only thing you can do in that situation is either start normally which would lose you 6+ positions or pretty much floor it to get the engine and tyres up to speed which will damage your tyres but limit the loss positions.





Mistakes and all, Lewis won... comfortably. :thumbup:


On average he kept his 0.3 faster up until the last few laps where he was just bringing it home


Are those the laps he was tight to Massa'a wing who was being held up by Magnusson? Hamilton's pace was fine, I think you should actually watch the race and not rely on just data!

From the radio transmissions broadcast Hamilton had to change a switch position, so it appears he had it in the wrong mode or something. No real issue.


The only reason he stuck with them at the start was DRS and slip streaming one the problem was sorted he instantly put more pressure on the car ahead who put more pressure on kmag. The lap they passed Kmag Hamilton went fastest and then overtook Massa and was comfortably faster up until he caught the back of Rosberg he waited patiently and after the pits used his grip to catch them Rosberg screwed up and Hamilton went even faster pulling out 1.5 seconds in two laps which added onto rosbergs lost 1.2 seconds



It wasn't a battle of mistakes. Only Rosberg made mistakes. Ok Lewis flat spotted a bit near the end but it had no impact on the outcome. It's unfortunate if Bottas was held up by Hamilton, but that's what happens sometimes. Look how much Hamilton has been set back by technical issues outside his control this season. And that's exactly what happened here, Lewis had a technical issue which slowed him off the line, he didn't make a mistake.

Lewis drove flawlessly expect for one lockup at the end but he didn't actually lose any time on that lap


Yeah I'd agree with Mags penalty as well. This 5 second penalty was a good one....didn't punish him terribly and it's still better than a drive through isn't it? I'm guessing you lose more than 5 seconds for the average drive through.

A drive though is like 12 seconds but I completely disagree I don't think it was a fair penalty. He shouldn't of been penalised



The first corner is known for major crashes and I think Bottas played it smart by staying behind Lewis and not move around and risk getting clobbered. Yeah it probably cost him a podium but he picked up healthy 12points and is now sitting above Alonso in the WDC.


Indeed, very smart from Bottas he knew he couldn't fight the Mercedes so he gave him plenty of room

Rosberg is quite clearly starting to tighten up and here's where Lewis's previous experience of battling for the championship comes into play. It's a bit like Webber is 2010. Despite being behind and navigating a lot reliability issues, Hamilton seems the more relaxed.

No doubt his experience will be playing a massive part from now on


I wonder if Rosberg is taken aback by how unpopular his move on Hamilton at Spa was? He seemed to escape with the Monacco one but is getting battered by fans since spa. And I don't believe it's only British fans, it's not like it's happening at Silverstone. He looked uneasy on the podium, maybe it's getting to him?

That's an interesting thought he would surely feel guilty and a bit unloved for it as but I'm sure after Hamilton made a gesture and spoke after about the booing it will make Rosberg feel better but he will also realise to play fair and respect Lewis



Toto is the man though

We know what's going on in their hotel room tonight!!!
#416290
Somebody should tell Nico he doesn't have to spend the next couple of weeks learning to apologize in Malay or Chinese... They speak English in Singapore. :twisted:
#416297
I think the majority of smarter F1 followers are starting to realise that Lewis has gone through the cauldron and emerged not as some guy thankful to be in F1 and easy to be pushed around because 'he is bound to be on the back foot', what with being a trailblazer

More and more are starting to realise that he has supporters in powerful places. Whatever shenanigans Nico was really upto, and likely parallel to el Lamo at McLaren, whatever it was, happy bubble, wrapping the team blah de blah, whatever it was has been nipped in the bud by someone high up in the Merc establishment. Someone somewhere has realised that there are too many eyes that wool doesnt work on watching and ready to turn Mercs foray into F1 a PR disaster if they allow Nico to do whatever Button did at McLaren, and ofcourse Mclaren is an example of the likely outcome

The look on Totos face when Lewis regained the lead was more than joy, it was a massive relief and almost appreciation to Lewis that he had rescued Toto from some kind of prewarned disaster. The one thing money cant buy is the good will of a crowd of knowledgeable and influential consumers in the social media age and the crowd booing Nico would soon be the crowd booing Mercedes, Daimler and AMG if any type of 'Mclaren disturbing driver syndrome' had been allowed to fester. Lets face it any more cheating by Nico and any more sh!t eating grins from Toto would have ended up away from F1 and into the mainstream social media. Even football commentators have been using Nico/Lewis as an example of bitter rivalry. If Nico had cheated again today or Lewis lost due to yet another mechanical 'gremlin' Merc would be on their way to doing a Gerald Ratner and trashing their own reputation into a firm that doesnt play fair

So i think Nico knows that cheating will bring the wrath of the HDL upon his sorry bottom, Merc know this and even your standard half wit h8terz on your random internet forums is starting to suspect this. Lewis is no longer someone easy to cheat and pick on because he has now acquired financial leverage of the highest order that supercedes any culture of disturbing drivers. possible why Button is now on a mission to suck up and repair his image before he quits.

someone said earlier Toto was the man - he is definitely a savvy and smart boardroom player - unless he had arranged with the FOM editor to act like he did, he has responded to the critiscm and calls for Ross back etc and now knows where his bread should be buttered

what do the knowledgeable F1 fans (not the half baked irritants) think about this theory?
#416299
It was already thrown into conversation by the sky team before you had even posted.

You spoiled my dreams lol

Could your post been any longer lol

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I suspect it could have been and that we should consider it a breath of fresh air when posts get to a level of realism and detail that can only be expressed by careful thought and long posts and not the usual one line half baked or completely unbaked idiocy that is the mainstay of newspapers like the sun, Mail, Mirror and their internet forum equivalents.

It goes like this 'lets put as little effort into truth or facts and pander to the lowest common denominator for some cheap titillation. Ofcourse I am not demanding everyone take car and put effort into expressing opinions but I am saying those that prefer to do so be able to without the moaners and censors and 'morality police' looking to drag everyone else to a basic FUNDAMENTAL level
#416300
People want fairness, things at Mercedes have not been fair. Nico has outright played dirty and I for one don't have any qualms about the fans booing him for his actions. On the part of Mercedes, the law of averages would not dictate that Nico has seen 2 mechanical issues all year. One leading to a DNF and one leading to a 2nd place finish in Canada.

Lewis on the other hand has seen 2 mechanical DNFs, 2 catastrophic mechanical issues in qualifying, is down on PU components and Has twice been the victim of dirty play by a teammate that know he cannot win in a straight out face off. Today's ERS issue at the starts were it not to correct itself in 90 seconds as it changed from race start to race mode would have added yet another mechanical to Lewis.

It would have reeked of rat, more than any air freshener Mercedes could come up with.
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