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[CookinFlat6]

I am not sure if there is a stupidity virus around here or if people are so desperate to "win" arguments they just make up their own and effectively debate with themselves

For anyone else who might be remotely interested in the truth or in the conclusion of the same things that have been started - this is for you

No one mentions F1 audiences or gobal viewing or trends since the wikis, sorry 90s

We were talking about Ferrari been a pheniomenon than attracts people to F1 in its own right - check
Then it was said that lewis was the driver equivalent to that phenomenon
Then it was said MS was the original Ferrari equivalent driver phenom before Lewis and before social media
And I said NO NO NO
MS was popular BECAUSE HE WAS AT FERRARI - he did not attract people into F1 just by his brand or personality - he was universally not liked by many, he caused a lot of negative press about F1, he put people off, people left in disgust, and then we come to the Ferrari/MS borefest - 2 panto villians in perfect harnmony with Ruebens getting shafted on Tv every weekend - people loved that
So MS caused people to leave

Lewis attracted a new type of fan and there was a surge in numbers

So Lewis has a big following, Ferrari has a big following, MS without Ferrari? its academic because he is no longer driving, Lewis is

Thats all, any half wit who wants to argue about global marketing trends or twitter followers, or the causes of audience decline should just go and do one

[spankyham]

I am not sure if there is a stupidity virus around here

I'm sure of the virus and I'm sure it is there. Its effects are obviously devastating

[racechick]

Hey! You lot!!! NICO v LEWIS thread!!!!!!

We 've discussed the decline in F1 popularity on screen and at races in another thread. Much as Lewis is the most exciting and most followed driver, and Nico is trying to kick bottom by cheating, F1 popularity trends are not all down to them.

[Hammer278]

Actually they could be the reason....a poll I saw run during practice on another site had "which race was your favourite thus far this season"....winner was Spa.

The Hidden Haters are now out of the woodwork, now seeing a chance for Rosberg to deny Lewis this season. These maggots will surely spike up viewing audience.

[racechick]

I'm sure there will be spikes of interest over the Hamilton and Rosberg battle and incidents like Monaco and Spa. Cars on fire are quite good for the casual viewer too, as are exploding brakes. But in terms of mega up or down turn trends in F1 , I don't think we can credit the Rosberg/ Hamilton battle with that. I'm sure a lot of people will turn on to see what Rosberg has up his sleeve today, and whether he's brazen enough to take Hamilton off again ( probably incur a penalty after all the coverage Spa received, will anger the team, but will move a step closer to the championship). But those viewers who want only to see that will turn the tele off after the first couple of laps.

[spankyham]

All this I'm sorry and I'm looking to the future business just highlights the gulf of difference to Senna. He took out Prost on the first lap (Suzuka) to get the '90 championship. As I remember it when he was asked about it he was all happy and said it was good to be champion.

[geetface9]

Unfortunately for rosberg it looks like hamilton had the better pace all weekend so we'll see if he can mount a challenge. If they make it through turn one unscathed it should be a great race with nico v lewis and mercedes v williams! But, I'm thinking massa is just gonna bin it into the back of both mercedes and bottas sneaks through for the win

[racechick]

All this I'm sorry and I'm looking to the future business just highlights the gulf of difference to Senna. He took out Prost on the first lap (Suzuka) to get the '90 championship. As I remember it when he was asked about it he was all happy and said it was good to be champion.

That was payback by Senna for being cheated the year before. Was he correctin what he did, probably not but. I can completely understand Senna. But Lewis has never deliberately taken anyone out, has had very few incidents where he's caused another competitor to retire . Lewis has stated on many occasions that how he wins is important to him. I don't think Rosberg cares how he wins.

[spankyham]

That was payback by Senna for being cheated the year before. Was he correctin what he did, probably not but. I can completely understand Senna.

So you'll completely understand if Kimi takes out Lewis.

[Ferrari man 009]

All this I'm sorry and I'm looking to the future business just highlights the gulf of difference to Senna. He took out Prost on the first lap (Suzuka) to get the '90 championship. As I remember it when he was asked about it he was all happy and said it was good to be champion.

That was payback by Senna for being cheated the year before. Was he correctin what he did, probably not but. I can completely understand Senna. But Lewis has never deliberately taken anyone out, has had very few incidents where he's caused another competitor to retire . Lewis has stated on many occasions that how he wins is important to him. I don't think Rosberg cares how he wins.

In Senna's defence, he was also cheated on his pole position by Balestre. So he said im going up the inside of T1 and Prost better back down, knowing Prost wouldnt.

[geetface9]

I don't think Rosberg cares how he wins.

Rosberg the Ruthless

[Roth]

who said arresting decline??

Ms caused people to switch off, Lewis attracted a new bunch of people, Tiger did the same in golf, your pain is amusing, when you are able to make that staement wrong then come back with the facts, in the meantime amuse us with your butthurt denial

you complain everyone goes on about him, then you say no one really does

and with MS it wasnt MS people had enough off? it was Ferrari did you say?

Next you will say MS' famous antics caused a whole bunch of people to stay watching and maybe even attracted a new bunch??

Well no I didn't really 'say' those things. You've tried all this before on so many threads. It's boring, and I know the more you bring out the smilies the more desparate you are.

[racechick]

All this I'm sorry and I'm looking to the future business just highlights the gulf of difference to Senna. He took out Prost on the first lap (Suzuka) to get the '90 championship. As I remember it when he was asked about it he was all happy and said it was good to be champion.

That was payback by Senna for being cheated the year before. Was he correctin what he did, probably not but. I can completely understand Senna. But Lewis has never deliberately taken anyone out, has had very few incidents where he's caused another competitor to retire . Lewis has stated on many occasions that how he wins is important to him. I don't think Rosberg cares how he wins.

In Senna's defence, he was also cheated on his pole position by Balestre. So he said im going up the inside of T1 and Prost better back down, knowing Prost wouldnt.

Yep. He laid it out right at the start. You cheat on me again like you did last year and I'll play dirty right back.

Spanky, no I won't completely understand if Kimi takes Lewis out. Kimi isn't even a bit player. Senna, Prost and Hamilton are/ were championship contenders.

[Roth]

And I said NO NO NO
MS was popular BECAUSE HE WAS AT FERRARI - he did not attract people into F1 just by his brand or personality - he was universally not liked by many, he caused a lot of negative press about F1, he put people off, people left in disgust, and then we come to the Ferrari/MS borefest - 2 panto villians in perfect harnmony with Ruebens getting shafted on Tv every weekend - people loved that
So MS caused people to leave

Universally not liked by many (you can be one or the other, not both, but i get your point)? Right after you've said he was popular? So people left because of his shenanigans, then he joined Ferrari, then they left some more (even though he was popular because he was at Ferrari). And all because of MS and MS alone audience figures dropped off? It's a compelling argument all right, but without your beloved facts and figures I don't think I can believe a word you say. (add assorted smilies and whatnot to note how ridicuous i think you are)

[CookinFlat6]

Its one thing to be a little thick, its another to be completely ignorant

Please stop embarrasing yourself and stick to disproving this simple statement thats caused the butthurt

Lewis attracted viewers to F1 that were not there before, MS was the cause for some viewers discontinuing to watch F1, both facts are well documented and are for reasons obvious to most.

This is nothing to do with F1 popularity as a whole or trends, or whether either driver has fans

Hamilton came in the year after Schumacher left. It was Ferrari domination people didn't like, and he was part of that. Hamilton's initial success was exciting but audiences dropped off under the RB domination too, even with Hamilton pootling around the track.

Its to do with fans that watch F1 only for 1 team or driver - Ferrari have this, Lewis has this, MS did not really have this, as you half wittingly pointed out above he was seen as part of Ferrari - if anything he had the opposite effect

So keep embarassing yourself if you insist, Ill be here