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By al4x
#40917
if renaault dont produce a car capable of podiums and wins next year i fear alonso may go, then they will have an even bigger job,

is 09 the year of the budget cap? that may be renaults saving grace, and toyotas downfall, renault are innovative as a team
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By Denthúl
#40924
But where would Fernando go if he left Renault? Ferrari have said that they won't pair him with Kimi, McLaren wouldn't sign him again and I don't think BMW would, either. However, the regulation changes next year mean he may have a lot more options available to him, I suppose.

Personally, I think Renault will be the team that has improved the most between Bahrain and Spain.
By al4x
#40925
But where would Fernando go if he left Renault? Ferrari have said that they won't pair him with Kimi, McLaren wouldn't sign him again and I don't think BMW would, either. However, the regulation changes next year mean he may have a lot more options available to him, I suppose.

Personally, I think Renault will be the team that has improved the most between Bahrain and Spain.


they better had

toyota are the only option other than ferrari imo
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By deMuRe
#40926
I don't understand the following comments I read from Alonso on the BBC today.

"There are several teams, Williams, Toyota, BMW and Ferrari that are always on top no matter what happens."

Williams and Toyota?

Getting back OT, I think i there will be an element of truth to both stories, both driver and team trying to point the finger at each other during difficult times.
#40929
"There are several teams, Williams, Toyota, BMW and Ferrari that are always on top no matter what happens."

Williams and Toyota?

I wish he was right about Williams, but I think what he means by Williams and Toyota being on top is that they're faster than Renault. Also notice how he doesn't mention McLaren and Red Bull. The latter probably being the fact Red Bull are Renault's engine customers and if he said they were doing better than the works team, that wouldn't go down too well with the sponsors - if it got rid of ING and their yeuchy-sickly orange that wouldn't be so much of a big loss.
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By deMuRe
#40930
"There are several teams, Williams, Toyota, BMW and Ferrari that are always on top no matter what happens."

Williams and Toyota?

I wish he was right about Williams, but I think what he means by Williams and Toyota being on top is that they're faster than Renault. Also notice how he doesn't mention McLaren and Red Bull. The latter probably being the fact Red Bull are Renault's engine customers and if he said they were doing better than the works team, that wouldn't go down too well with the sponsors - if it got rid of ING and their yeuchy-sickly orange that wouldn't be so much of a big loss.


I thought it was a strange choice of teams to use personally.

Not sure why but I'm completely indifferent to Renault, they don't seem to have an identity. Agree'd their colour scheme is pants.
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By bud
#40955
all this talk dissin Renault, hes going to leave...youd think the mechanics and the rest of the Renault team might start to dislike Fernando eh :wink:
By Mikep99
#40957
Don't think he will be going to Ferrari

Alonso would 'damage' Ferrari - Montezemolo
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080422160053.shtml
Fernando Alonso's reported desire to switch to Ferrari next year has been dealt a harsh blow by the famous Italian team's President.
Luca di Montezemolo is quoted by the sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport as questioning whether appointing the Spaniard would be "desirable" for Ferrari in terms of maintaining harmony in the scarlet-clad garages.
"To line up a (Kimi) Raikkonen-Alonso double act would mean wanting to damage yourself," he said.
"I want two equal drivers that work together," Montezemolo added.

Source: GMM
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By bud
#40959
"There are several teams, Williams, Toyota, BMW and Ferrari that are always on top no matter what happens."

Williams and Toyota?

I wish he was right about Williams, but I think what he means by Williams and Toyota being on top is that they're faster than Renault. Also notice how he doesn't mention McLaren and Red Bull. The latter probably being the fact Red Bull are Renault's engine customers and if he said they were doing better than the works team, that wouldn't go down too well with the sponsors - if it got rid of ING and their yeuchy-sickly orange that wouldn't be so much of a big loss.


the way i read it was there are several teams he could go to, and then Ferrari - that are always on top no matter what happens. i dont think he was saying Toyota Williams and BMW are always on top
By Mikep99
#41151
Ferrari right to not want Alonso-Briatore
http://newsonf1.net/2008/news/04/article_Ferrari_right_to_not_want_Alonso_Briatore.html(GMM) Flavio Briatore has backed Luca di Montezemolo's claim
that an Alonso-Raikkonen pairing at Ferrari would not be wise for the Italian
team.
Fernando Alonso, disappointed at the pace of his 2008 package, has been
making noises about a team switch for next year, with speculation hinting
strongly that his first preference is Ferrari.
But Ferrari president Montezemolo this week reacted that the Spaniard's arrival might "damage" the team.
"It is always very difficult to have two really good drivers in a team," Renault
boss Briatore told reporters at a sponsor press conference in Spain.
"When your two drivers are equally good, the teammates become their
greatest
enemies.
"Drivers like Fernando, Schumacher or Raikkonen are complicated, and putting
them together does not always produce positive results," he added.
With respect to Alonso's current teammate Nelson Piquet, Briatore insisted
that the best strategy for F1 is to establish a "degree of hierarchy" while
"working for both" drivers.
"Take last year, with Alonso and Hamilton -- at the end McLaren lost the
drivers' championship, and the reason was the rivalry," he said.
Briatore refused to respond to whether he was 'relieved' that Montezemolo
has ruled out hiring Alonso for 2009.
"I am here to talk about Renault," he told the reporters. "If you want to
talk about Ferrari, I will even pay for your journey to Maranello."
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By Martin
#41164
Ferrari right to not want Alonso-Briatore
http://newsonf1.net/2008/news/04/article_Ferrari_right_to_not_want_Alonso_Briatore.html(GMM) Flavio Briatore has backed Luca di Montezemolo's claim
that an Alonso-Raikkonen pairing at Ferrari would not be wise for the Italian
team.
Fernando Alonso, disappointed at the pace of his 2008 package, has been
making noises about a team switch for next year, with speculation hinting
strongly that his first preference is Ferrari.
But Ferrari president Montezemolo this week reacted that the Spaniard's arrival might "damage" the team.
"It is always very difficult to have two really good drivers in a team," Renault
boss Briatore told reporters at a sponsor press conference in Spain.
"When your two drivers are equally good, the teammates become their
greatest
enemies.
"Drivers like Fernando, Schumacher or Raikkonen are complicated, and putting
them together does not always produce positive results," he added.
With respect to Alonso's current teammate Nelson Piquet, Briatore insisted
that the best strategy for F1 is to establish a "degree of hierarchy" while
"working for both" drivers.
"Take last year, with Alonso and Hamilton -- at the end McLaren lost the
drivers' championship, and the reason was the rivalry," he said.
Briatore refused to respond to whether he was 'relieved' that Montezemolo
has ruled out hiring Alonso for 2009.
"I am here to talk about Renault," he told the reporters. "If you want to
talk about Ferrari, I will even pay for your journey to Maranello."


I do agree with Favio in this, especially where F.A. is concerned. M.S. also could not tollerate a real competitive team mate. But ithink that there are some drivers who are more confident and forward thinking than that, in that they would see a benefit to being in a strong team, would be able to bounce ideas off each other, and then race the balls off each other on the track. I think that Lh & HK could get to that position for example.
If a team can manage to get 2 very strong drivers that can work together then they will be a very strong team.
#41187
kimi will not go anywhere soon from ferrari and I agree that to have both KR and FA at the same time at Ferrari is suicidal. Although, if that was possible, we would see some amazing on-track fights for the first podium position at every race.

When Kimi goes, for whatever reason, FA will be the first choice for replacement.
#41195
kimi will not go anywhere soon from ferrari and I agree that to have both KR and FA at the same time at Ferrari is suicidal. Although, if that was possible, we would see some amazing on-track fights for the first podium position at every race.

When Kimi goes, for whatever reason, FA will be the first choice for replacement.

:lol: I dont think so :lol: (thats to your last two points)
#41199
kimi will not go anywhere soon from ferrari and I agree that to have both KR and FA at the same time at Ferrari is suicidal. Although, if that was possible, we would see some amazing on-track fights for the first podium position at every race.

When Kimi goes, for whatever reason, FA will be the first choice for replacement.

:lol: I dont think so :lol: (thats to your last two points)

Maybe you have to remember what Ferrari said about MS 6 months before the sign of their contract...

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