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[CookinFlat6]

A lot of F1 nowadays appears to be a tale of the blind leading the blind

How so? Speak on it, brotha!

You haven't watched the full race, you were not even watching F1 in 2008.

You say Glock spun because he was on the wrong tyres for the condition, whereas Lewis and the other drivers had stopped for the correct tyres. Yet you conclude by saying Lewis was lucky because Glock was unlucky not to get lucky (see what I did there?)

Others who also didn't watch or with even less knowledge can feel attracted to your argument and this becomes a reality

Hence 'the blind following the blind'

Most F1 followers with a rudimentary understanding of pit stops and tyre choice and track position tend to see deeper into that event. However Montezemolo is on record as saying 'Glocks' spin was 'Mysterious' implying something more than luck, again this argument attracts many followers with even less understanding

Again the 'blind leading the blind' or maybe the 'senile leading the blind' in this case

Anyways I suspect you know all this and are just having a laugh, so it could be a case of the 'smartass leading the blind'

[What's Burning?]

I can see Geets point - to a degree.

It could be seen as lucky for Hamilton, that at that point in time, O'Glock was on drys, lost time, and allowed Hamilton to claw back that one place he needed.

However the championship isnt won on one place, or one point. Its an accumulation of a seasons hard work. So a championship cant be won on just luck.

Its also funny how it is ok to comment on how UNlucky Hamilton has been - but not to comment on how Lucky he has been in the past.

Lucky boy indeed, have you seen his main squeeze?

[LRW]

.... so it could be a case of the 'smartass leading the blind'

[CookinFlat6]

Heres a nice analogy I juust thought of to explain the Tim O Glock event for those unsure or unwilling to get to grips (tyre not needed) with the chain of events

Say Geet has a brand new convertible Cadillac, and he goes to visit his French teacher in a very dodgy neighbourhood. He parks the caddy outside and decides to leave the hood down. And so he is at risk of a passing yobbo urinating in his car. However Geet has brought along his fight trained rottweiler whose speciality is to bite peoples testicles off. So Geet leaves the dog in the car with the hood open in the confidence that he has covered the possibilities.

Now when Geet comes back, and his car is absolutely untouched, is it because

A) Geet was lucky?
B) The potential urinator was unlucky not to be lucky that the dog didnt ignore him when he walked up?
C) there was a mystery involved as to why the car was not vandalised?
D) Geet mitigated the risk by playing it safe?
E) Luck is involved in anything and everyone is lucky just to be here at all so there

If you picked D) then you are closer to understanding the events of that fateful day in Brazil. Everyone pitted for the right tyres, Glock didnt, if he had he would have been miles behind Lewis, If he had he wouldnt have been on the wrong tyres, if he had he wouldnt have spun

[geetface9]

I'm about to leave work so I'll be able to reply in an hour when I'm home

[CookinFlat6]

I'm about to leave work so I'll be able to reply in an hour when I'm home

take cover, Geet is loading up for bear

[Hammer278]

I'm about to leave work so I'll be able to reply in an hour when I'm home

take cover, Geet is loading up for bear

He'll be back with a post full of capitals and bold letters screaming alcoholism like

YWWOOAAAAHHHHHHH NICOOO IS AWESOMEE IM SO SMASSSHHEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD OOOWWWAAAHHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There geet, it's done for you....so just go to bed when you see this.

[vaptin]

Luck and events out of control are tbh a pretty integral part of F1 racing, I think therefore it's unreasonable for a driver to come under criticism or negativity for being lucky.

Also, luck doesn't just exist in isolation, there are other factors too, that improve/ decrease chances.

I mean, you could say Nico was lucky with the lockup, but then again, he got away with it because he started ahead due to a faster qualifying lap. Similarly perhaps as Hamilton had to chase and catch up, he wore out his breaks faster, maybe Nico had adapted his driving style better to improve his reliability.

The getting away with cutting the chicane, maybe it was luck sure, but maybe also a case of a driver determined to win looking to push the rules to his advantage instead of just giving up the place. We could argue Mercedes as a team did the same (look to push/ exploit the rules for their gain) with the Mercedes Perelli race tyre test last year (I think).

You can say Nico was unlucky to not win the race because of a car problem.

I mean, another example, look at how much praise Bianchi got for his points finish in Monaco. There was still a hell of lot of luck involved, he was lucky with a safety car, other drivers not finishing, that his pass on the Caterham didn't result in damage or a penalty etc.

[Hammer278]

Luck and events out of control are tbh a pretty integral part of F1 racing, I think therefore it's unreasonable for a driver to come under criticism or negativity for being lucky.

Also, luck doesn't just exist in isolation, there are other factors too, that improve/ decrease chances.

I mean, you could say Nico was lucky with the lockup, but then again, he got away with it because he started ahead due to a faster qualifying lap. Similarly perhaps as Hamilton had to chase and catch up, he wore out his breaks faster, maybe Nico had adapted his driving style better to improve his reliability.

The getting away with cutting the chicane, maybe it was luck sure, but maybe also a case of a driver determined to win looking to push the rules to his advantage instead of just giving up the place. We could argue Mercedes as a team did the same (look to push/ exploit the rules for their gain) with the Mercedes Perelli race tyre test last year (I think).

You can say Nico was unlucky to not win the race because of a car problem.

I mean, another example, look at how much praise Bianchi got for his points finish in Monaco. There was still a hell of lot of luck involved, he was lucky with a safety car, other drivers not finishing, that his pass on the Caterham didn't result in damage or a penalty etc.

....and only if this sort of post could be dedicated once in a while in favour of Hamilton, by non Hamilton fans. The way non-Rosberg fans are too willing to contribute in favour of him.

[Jabberwocky]

I mean, another example, look at how much praise Bianchi got for his points finish in Monaco. There was still a hell of lot of luck involved, he was lucky with a safety car, other drivers not finishing, that his pass on the Caterham didn't result in damage or a penalty etc.

You could say that luck equaled itself out for him in Canada

[vaptin]

I mean, another example, look at how much praise Bianchi got for his points finish in Monaco. There was still a hell of lot of luck involved, he was lucky with a safety car, other drivers not finishing, that his pass on the Caterham didn't result in damage or a penalty etc.

You could say that luck equaled itself out for him in Canada

That was a jealous team mate

I dunno, surely it would only have evened out assuming he would have scored points again in Canada or something.

I do think it was a really good drive by Bianchi, he has a lot of talent and the result was well deserved by him and the team, I'm just saying luck was involved. As the point I was trying to make is luck is generally involved.

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OK, Hamilton's failure etc. was pretty unlucky too, but well, I don't think in the grand scheme of things with the Mercedes car as it is, his recent run will matter too much.

I've not got anything special in mind for defending Nico, I just think some of the criticism is unfair. I try not to just bash Hamilton or leverage unfair criticism against him. TBh there are enough people on here to jump in in favour of Hamilton, I thought Nico needed a knight in shining armour

[CookinFlat6]

I dont see any real bashing of Nico. If anything I see a respect for his quali speed and his sheer nerve to keep pushing his luck against Lewis. Its understandable for Lewis supporters to point out the fact that we are here to see a sporting contest and so far Nico has needed 2 incidents beyond the track boundary and 2 dnfs vs almost every other race or quali where he got more than schooled.

For me I like Nico, I am happy that the 4 races in a row he got schooled havent become 6 races as that would have killed the chase and would have ultimately and ironically devalued Lewis' 2014 when he wins. Nico is a plucky, try hard, britney lookalike, DiCaprio wannabe, little tyke. I would rather he beat Lewis or be the pest of a fly inside your nice airconditioned car. Its not as if he is a disturbing, backstabbing, lame, slow and generally useless politicker, he is a proper and worthy competitor, its just that the new Nico fans need to realise that F1 is a car race and the fastest guy generally is what we want.

Put it this way, Id support Nico against any other driver but Lewis and maybe Ricc

[sagi58]

...the championship isnt won on one place, or one point. Its an accumulation of a seasons hard work. So a championship cant be won on just luck...

Completely agree with this!!

[geetface9]

I'm about to leave work so I'll be able to reply in an hour when I'm home

take cover, Geet is loading up for bear

He'll be back with a post full of capitals and bold letters screaming alcoholism like

YWWOOAAAAHHHHHHH NICOOO IS AWESOMEE IM SO SMASSSHHEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD OOOWWWAAAHHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There geet, it's done for you....so just go to bed when you see this.

That's pretty much what I did. Popped open a beer, chilled, and passed out.....lucky for all your sake's!

[geetface9]

I can see Geets point - to a degree.

It could be seen as lucky for Hamilton, that at that point in time, O'Glock was on drys, lost time, and allowed Hamilton to claw back that one place he needed.

However the championship isnt won on one place, or one point. Its an accumulation of a seasons hard work. So a championship cant be won on just luck.

Its also funny how it is ok to comment on how UNlucky Hamilton has been - but not to comment on how Lucky he has been in the past.

Lucky boy indeed, have you seen his main squeeze?

That and his $44 million net worth or whatever it is. He's not so hard done by and neither is nico