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[CookinFlat6]

Ooh. My bad then. Though this isn't the first time you brought the point of German car and German driver, previously stating that they do have an impetus to back Rosberg for the title. I thought you were carrying it over here.

Thing is that the way it's structured means that the 'they' would either have to be Austrian Niki, Austrian Toto or British Paddy. If anyone is implying that the 'they' reside on the Daimler board then the 'they' would have to create a written or unwritten mandate that all 3 would have to be aware of and in complete agreement. This is not Ferrari where 1 family or 1 guy can run around employing Italians only

If this was at odds with the interests of either shareholder execs (Toto and Niki), I.e. They felt it would decrease the value of their stake then it would be fairly dumb to expect them to carry out a mandate that has no performance related validity. The Germaness of the WDC and it's marketing value would be for Daimler and if trying to fix this affected negatively the result Paddy could achieve without the mandate then I reckon he would want a written and documented instruction.

Which would be a time bomb for the CEO, if things should go wrong. 'We employed a driver at great expense and then I signed off a mandate that the German should win'

At least it will give the detractors something to opiate them for a while

[1Lemon]

In light of this coming race:


There are only 3 people who have won multiple races at Albert Park; Michael Schumacher (4), Jenson Button (3), and David Coulthard (2), while the most successful teams are McLaren and Ferrari with 6 victories each. 9 of the drivers who started from pole position have gone on to win the race (53%).

[stonemonkey]

An F1 car fully breaking is compared to a regular car fully breaking and going through a brick wall at 300kmph.

EDIT: Ah, you mean braking.

[1Lemon]

An F1 car fully breaking is compared to a regular car fully breaking and going through a brick wall at 300kmph.

EDIT: Ah, you mean braking.

God damn place I copy and pasted that from!

[sagi58]

Andrew Benson & Lawrence Barretto wrote:">Schumacher, Fangio, Senna & Vettel: Can stats find the greatest?

One of the great lessons of this exercise is to underline the dubiousness of using only statistics to back up any argument about who is the greatest racing driver of all time...

...Whichever statistics you choose, none takes into account machinery - or, to be more precise, drivers doing mesmerising things in sub-standard cars.

Many of the defining moments of F1 history have come as great drivers battled the odds in what was not the fastest car...

...Statistics are an important part of an argument about the relative merits of different drivers, but they certainly cannot provide a definitive answer.

The fact is, there isn't one. And that's the fun of it.

[spankyham]

This is not Ferrari where 1 family or 1 guy can run around employing Italians only

This is deliberately and patently not true.

You're smart enough to be aware of this while at the same time realizing you will curry favour from those who dislike Ferrari and relish any opportunity to vent that dislike.

[sagi58]

This is not Ferrari where 1 family or 1 guy can run around employing Italians only

This is deliberately and patently not true...

Apparently, the truth is boring and doesn't make big, splashy headlines!

[Hammer278]

This is not Ferrari where 1 family or 1 guy can run around employing Italians only

This is deliberately and patently not true.

You're smart enough to be aware of this while at the same time realizing you will curry favour from those who dislike Ferrari and relish any opportunity to vent that dislike.

Brawn left Ferrari because of their silent 'mandate' to have an Italian at the helm post Todt. This story is most definitely not a secret. And there's nothing really negative about it either, it can be seen as patriotism (Ferrari is Italy's great pride after all) and the want for having their own citizen lead their racing brand.

The point is, not all teams work this way. And that's okay too.

[spankyham]

This is not Ferrari where 1 family or 1 guy can run around employing Italians only

This is deliberately and patently not true.

You're smart enough to be aware of this while at the same time realizing you will curry favour from those who dislike Ferrari and relish any opportunity to vent that dislike.

Brawn left Ferrari because of their silent 'mandate' to have an Italian at the helm post Todt. This story is most definitely not a secret. And there's nothing really negative about it either, it can be seen as patriotism (Ferrari is Italy's great pride after all) and the want for having their own citizen lead their racing brand.

The point is, not all teams work this way. And that's okay too.

I'm not going to let this go, simply because it is patently not true. Ferrari employ many non-Italians in lots of positions, from extremely senior down.

[Hammer278]

So you're saying they employed Domenicalli because they believed he's better (nationalities aside) than Brawn?

[spankyham]

So you're saying they employed Domenicalli because they believed he's better (nationalities aside) than Brawn?

The statement was made that Ferrari only employ Italians. That is a blatantly untrue.

You have stated Brawn was removed because of a mandate that the TP role must be filled by an Italian - provide your proof.

[Hammer278]

I did say 'silent' mandate. The talk in the paddock reg Domenicalli being hired as TP in the first place was due to his nationality. Even when Todt was team boss, the rumours going around were about an "Italian TP" being a prerequisite, way before Domenicalli's name was mentioned. Are you saying you missed all this?

I'm not looking for any articles or websites stating this, it's very old news and even if I find it you'll counter with 'it's just an opinion/a rumour/etc" you can't find concrete proof of mandates which aren't black and white.

Then again, I'm not here to convince you....I'm 100% sure of how and why Domenicalli was hired, and it certainly wasn't because of his track record...which was nil. While Brawn was a key architect in their straight 5 year success. Also a telling sign is the 'falling out' of Brawn and Ferrari just before the Domenicalli announcement. But maybe Brawn was just pissed because they were not willing to change the flavouring of their pasta. Who cares, I for one was glad Brawn didn't get the post since it meant less success for Ferrari.

[spankyham]

I did say 'silent' mandate. The talk in the paddock reg Domenicalli being hired as TP in the first place was due to his nationality. Even when Todt was team boss, the rumours going around were about an "Italian TP" being a prerequisite, way before Domenicalli's name was mentioned. Are you saying you missed all this?

I'm not looking for any articles or websites stating this, it's very old news and even if I find it you'll counter with 'it's just an opinion/a rumour/etc" you can't find concrete proof of mandates which aren't black and white.

Then again, I'm not here to convince you....I'm 100% sure of how and why Domenicalli was hired, and it certainly wasn't because of his track record...which was nil. While Brawn was a key architect in their straight 5 year success. Also a telling sign is the 'falling out' of Brawn and Ferrari just before the Domenicalli announcement. But maybe Brawn was just pissed because they were not willing to change the flavouring of their pasta. Who cares, I for one was glad Brawn didn't get the post since it meant less success for Ferrari.

You're entitled to believe hearsay bits supposedly discussed in the paddock about why Brawn left and SD got the job.

My concern was with the blatant untruth that Ferrari employ Italian's only.

[Hammer278]

Well that's impossible since their drivers have been anyone but Italian for quite some time now.

[racechick]

I thought Jean Todt was French?

And I know a really good not Italian that Ferrari employed - Smedley.