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[What's Burning?]

At leas stateside, the popularity of LMS is no where near F1, which of course is no where near the popularity of dirt track midget racing.

[1Lemon]

At leas stateside, the popularity of LMS is no where near F1, which of course is no where near the popularity of dirt track midget racing.

TBF I don't think LMS is nearly as popular as F1 in Europe either, most people have at least heard of F1, whereas only proper motoracing fans have heard of LMP/LMS

[sagi58]

Redbull Honda. Has a ring to it.

I believe McLaren has an exclusive contract for the Honda engine for 2015.

Why? Rather, who wants the exclusivity?

EDITED:

They do, but so what....contracts can be ripped apart, simply a better deal and reassurance to McLaren that this won't cheapen the rship. Honda aren't in the sport to do charity for McLaren, they're in it for an ROI too and if Redbull come knocking I can't see Honda not hearing them out.

So, McLaren wants the exclusivity; but, Honda is open for business?

[Hammer278]

If a team (let's say Renault since its fitting atm) gets a GUARANTEED clause with all teams that no matter what sort of performance they get (engine blowing up every od race), the teams will stick with Renault until the end of time.

Is this deal good for Renault or the teams? The answer might help you answer your own question.

[sagi58]

If a team (let's say Renault since its fitting atm) gets a GUARANTEED clause with all teams that no matter what sort of performance they get (engine blowing up every od race), the teams will stick with Renault until the end of time.

Is this deal good for Renault or the teams? The answer might help you answer your own question.

Capitalism... I get it!!
Thanks!!

[Hammer278]

Has this been shared?

Newey: RB 10 over-heating at Jerez was a result of aggressive packaging


Adrian Newey takes some of the blame for Red Bull RB10 problems
Adrian Newey has admitted that one of the issues that afflicted the Red Bull RB10, during Jerez testing last month, was down to overheating caused by the aggressive aero packaging, not helped by the Renault V6 turbo’s propensity to run extremely hot, as we reported in the aftermath of Jerez testing [here].

Speaking to about 200 guests at the RAC’s Annual Motoring Dinner, Newey revealed, “What stopped us at Jerez was a problem where the bodywork local to the exhaust was catching fire.”

“Hands up on our side because that was a Red Bull problem. It was, you could argue, a result of aggressive packaging. We felt that we needed to take a few risks to try to get a good package that would minimise the aerodynamic damage of this very large cooling requirement.”

Daniel Ricciardo and the Red Bull RB10 stranded at Jerez
“It is a problem which hopefully we can get on top of [in time] for Bahrain. It was really a lack of time…it was something that we could have proved out on the dyno if we’d managed to get everything together earlier.”

“Renault have been up against it in terms of their use of the dyno, we have been up against it making the parts in time. I think had we been a couple of weeks further ahead then that could all have been done in private on the dyno, but unfortunately it was done in public.”

The overheating problem was not exclusive to Red Bull. The other two Renault powered teams present in Spain, Caterham and Toro Rosso, also experienced problems which also caused limited running, way off the pace.

Newey explained, ”The Renault seems to have a particularly large cooling requirement. Everybody of the three engine manufacturers will have a different target for how hot their charge air is going back into the plenum and Renault have given us a fairly challenging target, with all sorts of advantages if we can get there, but it is not easy to achieve.”

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Interesting last paragraph. They got tricks up their sleeve but unearthing them will take time/a big challenge? Looks like some sort of pulling wool over the eyes of the public. But I wonder what tricks all 3 manufacturers will have up their sleeves. I get there are constraints in the regulations but if customer teams of 1 manufacturer go much faster than the rest thanks purely to the PU skirting the rules effectively, I wouldn't be very surprised.

[CookinFlat6]

Interesting last paragraph. They got tricks up their sleeve but unearthing them will take time/a big challenge? Looks like some sort of pulling wool over the eyes of the public. But I wonder what tricks all 3 manufacturers will have up their sleeves. I get there are constraints in the regulations but if customer teams of 1 manufacturer go much faster than the rest thanks purely to the PU skirting the rules effectively, I wouldn't be very surprised.

The engine maker and the team have to come up with an optimum soultion for the new rules first (1 that balances going fast with actually working withing the new regs) Only then could they come up with a way of skirting rules that other teams or even the regulators havent thought of.
There is no way RBR are gonna be exploiting some rule to gain a big advantage that they already have planned for when they get their solution working.

The thing is the last RBR car was also a Newey gamble, he gambled heavily on the packaging and aero at the risk of the car not working within the rules. And his car was so successful because the risks were greater than the other took or even considered, so the payoff was huge as the others were no where from the floor upwards.

This time round the gamble has failed and he now has to come up with another design - another balance of packaging for speed vs reliability and cooling. And we are expected to beleive they have some trick waiting in the pipeline that will work with a design they havent even finished
Unless ofcourse brown envelopes have changed hands with Bernie who lets face it has past form for this

If I go to the horses today and put all my money on the horse that won last week and I get away with it, then I do the same thing next week and lose, everyone would understand the dynamics involved. But when Newey does the same (as he has done before in his history) everyone starts saying he is a genius who is sandbagging and must get it right in 2014 cos he did in 2009-20013

Even now he has admitted he screwed up and has to start again on the biggest design - the side and rear, he is trying to give hope to those thinking we must see more RBR success and thats its foolish to even discuss otherwise - those same ones who would believe that a horse wins because they had a dream or the papers said so

Seb has a lot to lose here despite the excuse of the car. If he doesnt waste young ric and drag his RB10 past the other Renault cars despite his car.... we might never see the already missing RBR/Seb fans ever again

[stonemonkey]

Watch out cookin, it could all be a cunning ploy by RBR to give their star driver god like status by having him win while appearing to be at a disadvantage.

[Jabberwocky]

Sandbagging is plodding around the track a few seconds of the pace. Where as the RB10 needs to get out on track to make sure it's wheels are not about to fall off. No way did red bull knobble themselves that badly on purpose.

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[Roth]

Look what Senna did with a piss-poor McLaren, and Vettel's better than him, so business as usual, I reckon.

[CookinFlat6]

The car wasn't a big factor in the past 4 years, it was Sebs genius, Webber a brilliant driver had the same car and was trashed by the boy wonder. And Webber is better than every Renault powered driver for 2014

So it should be a no brainer to see Seb smash every other Renault driver like he did Webber and most of the others as well

[racechick]

Look what Senna did with a piss-poor McLaren, and Vettel's better than him, so business as usual, I reckon.

Err WHAT???

[Hammer278]

Look what Senna did with a piss-poor McLaren, and Vettel's better than him, so business as usual, I reckon.

Err WHAT???

Roth was being tricky and getting a kicky with some good ol' sarcasm.....


Or he's smoking some seriously good sh*t.

[What's Burning?]

Look what Senna did with a piss-poor McLaren, and Vettel's better than him, so business as usual, I reckon.

Err WHAT???

Subtlety RC, subtlety. We all expect great things from Vettel this year.

[racechick]

Newey has said that the issues with the Jerez test was lack of time. He's also said cooling is a big issue.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/306619/

Yep, Brawn was saying months ago that cooling would be THE issue. And red Bull have had just as long as everyone else to prepare.